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Re: The un-buy-able candidate you're not seeing on TV...
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does Bloomberg running as an independent split the Dem vote and hand the election to the Republicans if Sanders beats Hillary?

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Re: California shootings
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It just doesn't make sense to me. I could understand if open carry weren't legal in the state...but if I'm allowed to carry a gun, why does it matter if you can see it or not?


Virginia Concealed Carry as of 2008

Because concealed weapons can afford a shooter the element of surprise, the law considers them more dangerous. To carry a concealed handgun in public you must be at least 21 and have a special permit.

Personally, I would rather know somebody is carrying.



Personally I assume everyone that I come in contact with is carrying and so do those in law enforcement.

And I agree with WVis, unless its a felony to carry in a place a little sticker on your door does nothing to deter most of us that are CC holders from carrying because if we are doing our job then no one will ever know unless we need to use it.

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Re: Republicans turning on one another...
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I'm really surprised that nobody is talking about the debates.


Are you all ready to have Trump as the president? Every passing day it looks like more and more a reality.


Yes because finally someone like me who doesnt give a damn about being politicaly correct finally feels like they have a canidate that has there voice.


I like his brashness i agree we should temporaly ban muslims from coming in, i agree a wall on the southern border is needed, i agree to not taking refugees at this time.

We are so far down the rabbit hole that someone like trump is exactly what we need. Its pretty obviouse a lot of folks seem to agree based on his polling numbers at this point.

Him against hillary will be a cake walk

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Re: California shootings
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As I like to see sound arguments for it? Which I am still waiting. I don't believe I have to provide any other soild argument than "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." That is all of the argument people like me think we need and is what we continue to go back to. And that's also why I am not one that is willing to give a single inch on any gun control law.

But you and I both will agree that we don't believe the other has a sound argument for or against it in our on minds


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Re: California shootings
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The guns used in CA are no different than the guns I have in my collection. They are perfectly legal and they should be and should remain that way.

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Re: California shootings
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A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally (more guns = less crime).

Nations with strict gun control laws have substantially higher murder rates than those who do not in general. In fact, the 9 European nations with the lowest gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate 3x that of the 9 European nations with the highest gun ownership rate!

http://americangunfacts.com/



That is completely flawed and about as biased a source as you can find. You can't compare the US to lawless, dirt poor, 3rd world countries like Honduras and El Salvador.

Among developed countries, the US has by far the most guns and the most gun violence.



Go back and look at the trends of gun sales going up and gun violence going down in this country.

We have shown over and over again that the largest areas of gun violence in this country comes out of the areas with most toughest gun control laws that have yet to make a dip in the numbers and only makes law abiding citizens a target by those that don't care about gun laws.

Look at the numbers from the UK in comparison to the US that's not a 3rd world country


In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!9


Kitchen knives are being used in as many as half of all stabbings in the United Kingdom and has prompted a group of doctors to call for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives.10

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Re: California shootings
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However, it was pretty easy for the killers to simply go out and buy automatic weapons as opposed to building a bomb, smuggling weapons or stealing them.



What I bolded above is inaccurate. You can not legally purchase automatic weapons in this country without a permit to have a fully automatic weapon. The guns used in the CA shooting were not automatic weapons. They were semi-automatic rifles, which are legal to own in this country and legal to purchase.



That depends on who you talk to. Some are calling them assault weapons and they were legal due to a loophole. Not that it matters in this particular case.

Controversial Legal Assault Rifle


from your link above

You would think many of these semiautomatic rifles were already banned in California. Not so. They are, in fact, perfectly legal.

It is illegal in all 50 states to buy a fully automatic rifle without a permit I want to say the permit is a class m but don't hold me to it. The permits are extremely difficult to obtain and extremely expensive.

I know I seem to be nit picky but it's a pet peve of mine to hear people classify AR's or any other "assault" rifle as a legally purchased automatic weapon

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Re: California shootings
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You say that we continue to go back to gun control laws have to work 100% of the time to be effective. I feel that there is no law out there that will prevent this. We have a law that's a nationwide law that says you can not murder another human being, yet we continue to have people murdered on a daily basis. The idea that we can legislate this problem away is flawed.

Roughly 92% of all mass shootings in the US since have occurred in what we refer to Gun Free Zones. These are areas that your not allowed to have a gun in, yet the bad guys must have forgot about that. Instead of creating these pretend make believe safe havens where people are supposed to feel safe we have created a target rich environment of unarmed individuals that are easy picking.

A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally (more guns = less crime).

Nations with strict gun control laws have substantially higher murder rates than those who do not in general. In fact, the 9 European nations with the lowest gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate 3x that of the 9 European nations with the highest gun ownership rate!

http://americangunfacts.com/

How safe do you think people in Paris feel right now, they have had 3 attacks that I can remember over the last year and they don't have a way for the everyday citizen to protect themselves.

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Re: California shootings
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What does preventing people on the "no fly list" from purchasing guns have to do with mass shootings?

What is the rational to call for such restrictions in response to these shootings, committed by people who were NOT on the list? What is the agenda there? Are the people on that list committing mass shootings? Or even murders in general? Common sense says if someone on that list committed murder with a gun, they'd be in jail, not free to buy a gun.

That's like saying a child choked on a hotdog, so in response we should require all Legos to be a certain size.




Why would a politician say we need more gun control in response to this shooting....when this shooting happened in spite of threading the needle of the most ideal gun control laws already in place?

Why would someone say our gun control laws need to be tougher, before they even know what laws were followed/broken?


I agree that there is not much you can do about a radicalized murderer that is intent on killing people, but it is still a mass shooting and and it gets the conversation started again about the OVER ALL problem we have in this country with gun violence. They don't have to know what weapons were used. There are thousands examples of shootings with all kinds of different guns in this country and people are tired of it. However, it was pretty easy for the killers to simply go out and buy automatic weapons as opposed to building a bomb, smuggling weapons or stealing them.

You guys keep repeating the flawed argument that gun control legislation has to work in ALL cases or it is no good in any case. No law is 100% effective, otherwise we wouldn't need police or the court system. A law is a deterrent and in some cases it works, and others it doesn't. To be honest, I think gun control is probably a lost cause in this country, but there are people who sincerely believe it can make a difference and they don't believe in coming to your house and taking your guns.

Congratulations on a well thought out and rational post, with the exception of the hot dog analogy, btw.


What I bolded above is inaccurate. You can not legally purchase automatic weapons in this country without a permit to have a fully automatic weapon. The guns used in the CA shooting were not automatic weapons. They were semi-automatic rifles, which are legal to own in this country and legal to purchase.





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Re: California shootings
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Ask Paris how those common sense laws are working out for them and the safety of there loved ones.

How many mass shootings in this country have occurred in places that your not allowed to have guns? You don't fix this problem by inacting more laws, or creating more safe places for criminal and ragheads to go target practicing and make it easy picking for them.

I agree with the approach of Jerry Falwell Jr, and his stance at Liberty Unv.

Most universities want guns off their campus. Liberty University, on the other hand, is going down another route and actually wants as many of its students to carry weapons. Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, called on students to get permits to carry concealed weapons, noting they can take “a free course” right on campus. Having more guns on campus could help those in the university fight back against any kind of attack like the one that happened in California on Wednesday that killed 14 people, he argued

"Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here," Falwell told an estimated 10,000 members of the university community at convocation Friday. Falwell spoke for a few minutes after former Sen. Jim DeMint. The audience loudly cheered him on. "I've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in," Falwell said at one point.

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Re: California shootings
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Come on EERS, exactly what common sense applications are you going to put in place to prevent a bunch of Radically Islamic Terrorist from wanting to go on a killing spree in the country?

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Re: California shootings
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Also I am assuming this office building was a gun free zone.

Which if true amazes me that we are even talking about this because your should be safe in those areas right? No one should have guns there to hurt or kill you

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Re: California shootings
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Take a bow, Democrats.



Keep in mind that California already has virtually every single gun control law that Democrats desire. They have an assault weapons ban, they have universal background checks, they've banned large magazines, they've banned a wide array of handguns, and they've made it so hard to obtain a concealed weapons permit that it amounts to a defacto ban as well. But yesterday the media ignored all of that, because progressives have a narrative to push.

Unfortunately, while the left was screaming that you should give up your right to defend yourself, it was their own unhinged social agenda that allowed these killers to continue operating.



San Bernadino is one of the easiest CA counties to get a CC permit.

https://www.revealnews.org/article/wan ... amento-not-san-francisco/

Not that it matters because what gun are you going to carry everywhere everyday that pierces body armor?


You are correct that ammo outside of Full Metal Jackets wont penetrate body armor. However, the kinetic energy imparted onto the person wearing the armor will still be considerable and multiple hits in the same area can cause the armor to fail.

Body armor will protect your vital organs, unless your hopped up on PCP or some other type of drugs in your system getting shot with body armor on is no walk in the park.

As a CCW holder and daily carrier, I personal train to shoot center mass at the most vital organs, that includes training and taking head and neck shots. I have not heard if these guys were wearing tactical helmets so that leaves head shots on the table. Even if they were wearing tactical helmets most often your neck/throat area is exposed.

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Take a bow, Democrats.

In the hours following yesterday's violence, progressive talking heads offered us every possible reason for the attacks. First it was workplace violence, then it was the work of lone wolf gun nuts, radical Christians, right-wing militias, and on and on and on. The media was positively desperate not to suggest anything that could even hint at Islam, because that didn't fit the gun control narrative they were trying so hard to justify.

Now, because we wouldn't want to jump to conclusions, they're still waiting for the totally-impossible-to-discern motive to be revealed. No one can say what would make a couple of peaceful Muslims, one of whom had recently traveled to Saudi Arabia, do something so horrible while wearing Go-Pro cameras. We can, however, say that political correctness helped it happen.

According to CBS Los Angeles, neighbors spotted plenty of suspicious activity at the shooters' home. Allegedly, strange "Middle-Eastern" men were seen coming and going over a period of several days, but no one said a word. ...Because witnesses didn't want to be accused of "racially profiling" anyone.

Keep in mind that California already has virtually every single gun control law that Democrats desire. They have an assault weapons ban, they have universal background checks, they've banned large magazines, they've banned a wide array of handguns, and they've made it so hard to obtain a concealed weapons permit that it amounts to a defacto ban as well. But yesterday the media ignored all of that, because progressives have a narrative to push.

Unfortunately, while the left was screaming that you should give up your right to defend yourself, it was their own unhinged social agenda that allowed these killers to continue operating.

They may love their little "If you see it say it" campaign, but liberals spent decades waging a politically correct whack-a-mole battle against anyone who dared give voice to their instincts. Now, because they were afraid they'd be ridiculed as racists or bigots, people who could have averted this attack kept their mouths shut.

...As a result, 14 people are dead, 17 are injured, and countless lives are altered forever.

Whatever the motive turns out to be, this - at least in part - is the end result of the left's tireless war against "hurt feelings."

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Syed Farook, the prime suspect in the mass shooting that killed 14 people and injured 17 others at a Southern California office building, was described by co-workers Wednesday as a reserved man who showed no signs of unusual behavior after returning from a month-long trip to Saudi Arabia.

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Re: California shootings
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Pipe bombs and IED'S at the scene this is going to be a little more than just your typical mass shooting. FBI is already investigating as a potetional attack of Terror. This seems very similar to the Hebbo attacks in Paris as well as the latest Paris attack

Its probably just that "jv" terriost group that out jackass president thinks is contained.

And theres not a gun control law out there that would have prevented this


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Re: Paris
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/ ... ris-victims/?intcmp=hpbt3

Maybe there were a lot of ISIS members in the stands during this soccer game in Istanbul?


So what is your point...we should just kill them all? Is that the only solution?

When has all of the half-assed intervention in the middle east EVER done any good? So why don't you and like-minded folks demand that our military invade the middle east and just kill everyone until they capitulate? Is your point that we should be at war with Turkey because Muslims live there? Please elaborate.

The only turkey I'm trying to kill is some bird on Thanksgiving!


Yes, i would be fine with turning the middle east into a glass parking lot.

Our ROE'S are hendering our response, Russia and France have not worried about civilian deaths and thats why they have unleashed hell on these dirtbags.

But yes Kill Them All, seems like a good start

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Re: Paris
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The carnage in Paris last Friday reminded us all of the evil of Islamic extremism. President Barack Obama has promised to “bring these terrorists to justice.” Yet his administration appears altogether oblivious to the threat posed by an influx of refugees from war-torn Syria into the U.S. homeland. Furthermore, in the war against Islamic extremism, the President cannot even bring himself to confront the enemy by its name.

Given the tragedy in Paris last Friday, the U.S. simply cannot, should not and must not accept any Syrian refugees. Unfortunately, the Obama administration has pledged that the U.S. would accept an additional 45,000 new refugees, mostly from Syria, from 2016 to 2017. This must not happen. Instead of half talk and feel-good promises, the U.S. must defend itself with sound security measures.

Paris offers a bloody reminder that we must not be afraid to confront those who harbor the jihadist views that have spread violence and hatred around the world.

Although President Obama and presidential candidates from the Democratic Party prefer to describe radical Islam as just a form of extremism, the rest of us should remember that jihadists who have spilled blood on our soil before and must never be allowed to do so again.

If we thought Islamic extremism is a phenomenon reserved for foreign lands, terrorists have made sure to expose our naiveté. From London to Paris, Sydney to Madrid, Fort Hood to Chattanooga, radical Islamists and their lone wolf followers have inflicted their savagery across the civilized world. Paris now offers the latest gruesome reminder of radical Islam’s barbarism.

http://time.com/4116014/paris-attacks-ben-carson/



Hopefully Dr Carson is last man standing for the GOP


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