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Re: Swamp Drainage
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Trump really getting punked on this North Korea thing. Who didn't see that coming?


LOL what?


I know :). I laughed when NK pulled the football too. Hilarious!


Well seeing advanced how a lot of posters on here were saying that Trump was going to be lobbing nukes left and right, I’d say we are doing pretty good right now.

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Re: Dangerous Donald and his witch hunt delusion
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This is the first time I've posted in the Soap Box for several years but I just have to say one thing to everyone who thinks the Mueller investigation hasn't found out anything.

Here it is:

In the first year, Mueller has obtained 17 indictments and 5 guilty pleas and no one outside of his team really knows what other information he may have. Just because he doesn't call Sean Hannity every night to report on his progress doesn't mean he isn't making any.

I don't care what side you're on, to say the investigation is over and nothing has been found goes way beyond delusional. Hell, they investigated Clinton and Whitewater for 7 years. Iran-Contra took 6 years. Even the Valerie Plame leak took 3 years to investigate.

So keep your pants on, boys and girls, put down your Twitter phone and turn off talk radio and the 24-hour news. This show is only just beginning.


Wonder why he isn't investigating the woman who sold our uranium to Russia. It's also funny that he isn't investigating Obama for spying on Trump. It's a witch hunt and you know it. It's clear you aren't a fan of the president based on this comment alone. But it's clear there is no collusion. Hillary, and Obama even said before the election that you cant rig our elections by collusion :) but the day after trump won it's been forced on us. Its insulting to tax payers that we have to pay for this soon to be 20,000,000 illegal witch hunt just because he wont let the swamp and global elites turn America into a socialist nazi Venezuelan paradise. Maybe you should stick to not posting in the soap box because, respectfully, you dont know what you're talking about.


Benghazi investigation: $7,000,000

Trump's golfing trips: $83,000,000 and counting.

New debt from Republican tax bill:$1,500,000,000,000

Please spare us your selective outrage about the cost of the Mueller investigation (which by the way is nowhere near the $20M figure you placed on it.)



Selective Outrage? Seems to me there is plenty of selective outrage surrounding this whole Russia issue. I haven't seen you post one thing calling out a single Democrat politician, when it comes to Russian meddling in our country.

Here's a question directed to some recent posts on this thread. Why is Mueller when requested to provide information to the judge in the Manafort case now stonewalling on providing the information requested by the judge? Also one of the Russian companies has decided to fight the indictment from Mueller. They requested a speedy trial, but now Mueller is stonewalling on this matter as well. If Mueller's indictments are so air tight, why is he now not able to come forward with the documentation backing his actions. Before I get charged with making claims without any citation, I will remind you that I have previously posted articles about these occurrences in the Soap Box already. One link can be found on this very page.

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Re: Dangerous Donald
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Former US Attorney: Obama’s CIA Director John Brennan Led Group Trying to Frame Trump
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/john-b ... 6473c7b9fa19141&source=CI

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Re: Dangerous Donald
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Judge Mulls Dismissal Of Manafort Charges, "Sharply Questioned" Mueller Overreach
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05 ... ncerned-mueller-overreach


Article by Tyler Durden?


Whoever he is, he writes lots of articles under that name for zero hedge. His articles seem to be spot on for most of the time.

Perhaps he is the guy who started Fight Club.

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Re: Swamp Drainage
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EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963

http://cultureshield.com/PDF/45_Goals.pdf

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Re: Swamp Drainage
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Wall Street Journal Suggests FBI Had a Mole on the Trump Campaign
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Re: Swamp Drainage
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Are you serious? Now you are making up whataboutisms without any evidence at all.

Let's put your whataboutism to the test. The standard is journalists, or people pretending to be journalists, who make up stories to the point where they are convicted of criminal fraud. Please find one, just one, other person who fits this mold. I don't even care if it is a right wing person or a left wing person. Just find one. I will wait.


Please! Who is being ridiculous here? First off show me where O’keef was prosecuted for false reporting. He was prosecuted for lying about his identity in an attempt to get people to be more truthful about their intentions in front of him. There is a difference you know. It wasn’t wise of him to do that in a federal building, but that’s beside the point.

The article you posted stated that O’keef and the lady weren’t actually in pimp and prostitute get up. They never claimed to be. They said that they went in and claimed to be a underage prostitute and her handler. It appears the article you are referencing has some made up stuff in it as well.

Here’s some more whataboutism. What about your half assed attempt at a rebuttal? What about that?

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The ‘Russian Collusion’ Trial Is On, And Mueller May Be The First Casualty
http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/09/rus ... t-mueller-first-casualty/

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Re: Blankenship running for Senate
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I’d much rather have seen Jenkins win.

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Re: Swamp Drainage
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Were you all not paying attention when 1818 posted the Project Veritas video’s where they had Google employees admitting that they are controlling what content can be easily searched?


Project Veritas Has Trouble With The Veritas

Let's look at this from a non-partisan perspective. What if I told you a political media organization was run by a person who has a conviction for criminally fraudulent behavior in manufacturing the organization's videos, and that the organization had been criticized by the left and the right for intentionally misleading viewers regarding the facts presented. What if that same organization had also been caught attempting to fabricate a news story to a newspaper, and showed a high level of ineptitude in doing so. Without knowing whether the organization was left or right, and without having the desire to have the falsehoods they publish be true, would you put any faith in that organization? I don't, and I question the judgment of anyone who does.


Well one thing stands to reason that you didn’t think to put into your thought process. The people in the Veritas videos weren’t forced to say the things they said? Are you suggesting we all just not pay attention to what these people are willing to admit behind closed doors? Seems to me your response is a classic attack the messenger approach. Are you saying the people and the comments made in the video are fake? Can you substantiate proof to that opinion if you do?


I am not suggesting anything. I am saying that O'Keefe isn't worthy of any credence whatsoever, and neither are his videos. He is a deceitful POS. Yes, they are fake and yes I can prove it. He is an absolute fraud. He has been shown repeatedly to be a liar, and his MO is to splice and edit to make things appear to be different than they really are. It has been shown over and over and over. There are stories about nearly every one of his videos showing them to be fabricated and intentionally untruthful. Here is one example:

Project Veritas Makes Shit Up

He edited the video to make it appear that a subject said things about the Tea Party when what the subject was actually recounting what Republicans had told him about the Tea Party. In other words, Republicans said hateful things, and he edited where the subject said "Republicans told me ..." to make it look like the subject was speaking his own opinions.


Well judging by the standard you just set, I think there are plenty other media outlets that are guilty of this very same thing. Of course I’m sure you wouldn’t agree that we should hold the left leaning ones to quite as strict a standard.

Getting back to my original point, all you really need to do is to google any recent political topic to see that google pushes a certain ideology. The do it by putting forward articles from groups that produce their news with a liberal bias. O’keef or not, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what’s going on.

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Judge Mulls Dismissal Of Manafort Charges, "Sharply Questioned" Mueller Overreach
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05 ... ncerned-mueller-overreach

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Re: Swamp Drainage
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Were you all not paying attention when 1818 posted the Project Veritas video’s where they had Google employees admitting that they are controlling what content can be easily searched?


Project Veritas Has Trouble With The Veritas

Let's look at this from a non-partisan perspective. What if I told you a political media organization was run by a person who has a conviction for criminally fraudulent behavior in manufacturing the organization's videos, and that the organization had been criticized by the left and the right for intentionally misleading viewers regarding the facts presented. What if that same organization had also been caught attempting to fabricate a news story to a newspaper, and showed a high level of ineptitude in doing so. Without knowing whether the organization was left or right, and without having the desire to have the falsehoods they publish be true, would you put any faith in that organization? I don't, and I question the judgment of anyone who does.


Well one thing stands to reason that you didn’t think to put into your thought process. The people in the Veritas videos weren’t forced to say the things they said? Are you suggesting we all just not pay attention to what these people are willing to admit behind closed doors? Seems to me your response is a classic attack the messenger approach. Are you saying the people and the comments made in the video are fake? Can you substantiate proof to that opinion if you do?

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Re: WVU Football Thread for Things That Don't Need Their Own Thread
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Well ... he is BETTER than Mayfield, that's for sure.

Hell ... I think Rudolph is better than Mayfield.

It ain't easy being a Browns fan. UGH.


I hear ya.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Eers88 wrote: Did you not read this thread? Did I not say that the suppression of speech and ideas occurs among both conservatives and liberals? It would be a "glass house" if I blamed conservatives, wouldn't it? I didn't. Now you are using fake whataboutisms. Yikes.


To be fair, I was referring to your full body of work on the Soap Box. My observation was made on a larger scope than just this thread, but I digress.

Whataboutism? Eh fake whataboutism? What are you talking about? Please help me understand your reasoning here, so I can stop chuckling to myself, and actually be able to take you seriously.

Oh by the way everyone. If you don’t believe, think like, or align with the same politics as 88, you are a victim of propaganda, and need to step out of your bubble of influence. You need to try to be more “open minded” like 88, who recently made the greatest post in Couch history.


People can read for themselves. I don't make comments about groups of people like you, Turkish, SG and 1818. When people do that it is a sign that they are forming opinions based on propaganda. Demonizing people because they don't think like you is a form of idea suppression just like shouting down public speakers at universities. So is attacking the media and threatening to jail them. So is stacking television shows with like-minded speakers, and repeating the same untrue message over and over. They are all equally bad.

My point about the whataboutism was that you obviously did it and made it up. I honestly cannot see how you don't see it, even when it is pointed out to you. To be clear, I am criticizing you, but not because you don't think like me. I am criticizing you because your typical response to a topic is a whataboutism often combined with some kind of "I am laughing so hard I cannot stop" type of response. I don't care if you are left or right. You can disagree all you want. Let me break the whataboutism down for you:

Me: Both sides do it.
SG: Only liberals do it.
Me: You are limiting your input.
You: WHATABOUTISM!

Do you see it now? My position on the issue was that both sides do it. I literally had just posted it. Yet you somehow equated that to SG's position. I don't see how they could possibly be any different. It is absurd to even try to equate them. You made it up.


For the record I am willing to let my comments stand on their own as well. People can make up their minds for themselves.

Your explanation of my use of “”whataboutism” is basically a because I said so type of reply. I guess we are back to that, you are right because you define what is and what isn’t mentality. Again for the record I was obviously replying to your “echo chamber” remark, not the “both sides do it” remark. I do agree with the later. The echo chamber and propaganda routine you do is usually used in a condescending manner, and it’s obvious that you are just as guilty of limiting your “sphere of influence” as anyone else on here. Now I guess we are back to the both sides do it, which you have already admitted to.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Eers88 wrote: Did you not read this thread? Did I not say that the suppression of speech and ideas occurs among both conservatives and liberals? It would be a "glass house" if I blamed conservatives, wouldn't it? I didn't. Now you are using fake whataboutisms. Yikes.


To be fair, I was referring to your full body of work on the Soap Box. My observation was made on a larger scope than just this thread, but I digress.

Whataboutism? Eh fake whataboutism? What are you talking about? Please help me understand your reasoning here, so I can stop chuckling to myself, and actually be able to take you seriously.

Oh by the way everyone. If you don’t believe, think like, or align with the same politics as 88, you are a victim of propaganda, and need to step out of your bubble of influence. You need to try to be more “open minded” like 88, who recently made the greatest post in Couch history.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.


Only, and I mean, ONLY the progressive, socialist, leftist fascists are shouting people down and preventing Free Speech.

And sadly, they are so lacking in Wisdom that cannot see the error of their ways.

Hopefully one day these young people will grow up and gain some Wisdom.


Symptoms of the echo chamber.


Those who live in glass houses....


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Re: Dangerous Donald
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As you likely know, only McLatchy reported it. They have not retracted the story so I’m assuming they still stand by it.


Meh there’s a lot of mainstream articles that should have been retracted over the past two years. Not exactly an air tight rebuttal.

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What’s up with your recent obsessive emphasis on link searching? To be honest it feels like the point is to waste your debate opponents’ time.


Obsessive? Ok whatever.
This from the guy who is constantly demanding people provide citation to the opinions they share. Obviously I am taking your own tactics and flipping them back on you. Well at least it should have been obvious.

And yes these days it is practically impossible to find conservative articles that are over a week old on google, or the thousands of other search engines that utilize google. Were you all not paying attention when 1818 posted the Project Veritas video’s where they had Google employees admitting that they are controlling what content can be easily searched? Literally you have to remember the precise article title, and the site it was posted on to be able to even have a chance at finding the article again. I am speaking from experience here. Y’all can scoff all you want. It isn’t a sign of my paranoia, it is a sign of your ignorance.

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For the record, I’m not saying that, per se. But in case you’re wondering, a variety of web searches reveals no evidence of AJ acknowledging or substantively responding to criticism. Can you back up your back up?


This makes me laugh. Within this past year I posted a links of Infowars retractions as proof of responsible journalism, after the lefties on here claimed that responsible media outlets take responsibility for their false reporting. Of course in true liberal fashion, my evidence didn’t count, because of some thought up at the moment stipulation. It was around the time Project Veritas came out with the video of the guy from CNN telling all in the elevator.

Why would I dig through the Liberal laden Google search machine to reprove a point that I have already made on here? My advice to you is to go back through the old posts on here and find the post I made back then. Its not my responsibility to relieve you on your ignorance on the matter.

I seem to be taking a lot of heat over this, yet I haven’t seen one link from most of you, on what you are basing your opinions off of. What gives you the authority to demand more from me than you are willing to do yourself?

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Old lie: Steele dossier is fake, Michael Cohen couldn’t have met Russians in Prague...he was never in Prague!!!

Actual truth: Special council has proof Cohen in Prague during Summer 2016.

I wonder how much prison time Cohen will have to be facing to sing like bird?



So who is actually the one on here posting fake news links?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29509/f ... 68891&utm_content=2221840



Please show a link where Mueller says the accusation is false. You cannot. He says much of the reporting is wrong. In case you missed it...your side is reporting on it as well. Who is he talking about?

Let it play out. Eh?


Ok then, to be fair please show me a link that reaffirms your original link that has been reported since this announcement was made on Muellers behalf.

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