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Re: What's your take on the current state of the economy?

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You've used that meme before. What else you got?


You have used simple contradiction before. What else you got?

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Re: I hate iPhones

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I'm rich as ****, and I don't give a damn about anything. I live life like a **** rock star.


Yeah, you're basically the nickelback of this board.


Tadow!

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Re: WVU Football Thread for Things That Don't Need Their Own Thread

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Police say Bednarik began flirting with the then 15-year old student in the fall of 2013. He’s accused of sending at least one naked photo, among other photos, of himself to the girl’s cellphone between February and August 2014.

Seems like a pretty safe play. What could possibly go wrong?

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Re: Supreme Court rules extending traffic stop to summon K9 Unconstitutional

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Best way not to get caught with drugs? I would guess not have any. Who cares about the piece of **** drug dealer/user. Give the dog a treat. And cop a raise.


You're not under the mistaken belief that K9s are used just on the guilty are you? The constitution is for the innocent too ya know?


Innocent people don't worry about k9 drug dogs. You want drug dealers to have an advantage over the cops. No thanks! You are glad a drug dealer/ user got off?


The "innocent people don't worry about police officers infringing on people's civil rights" argument is a really good one ... if you want a totalitarian state with no individual liberties. I would prefer that the government abide by the Constitution.

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Re: Petition: RELEASE BUBBLES!!!

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Bubbles has his own grocery cart repair enterprise. It pays for the kitty chow.

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Re: What's your take on the current state of the economy?

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So that would lead one to believe that HAD he had the authorization like W. he certainly left it open to being done.



Just because the W. Bush Administration said they had authorization doesn't mean they had authorization. They intentionally negotiated an ambiguous resolution and declared that it authorized them to go to war. Not many other countries or members of the security council interpreted it the same way.

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Re: WVU BBall Thread for Things that Don't Need their Own Thread

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Single handily he is making this site unbearable to view anymore. Ramblings of a moron by MichaelJLucas rolls off the tongue. Spare us from the voices in your head please.


Well that was a little over the top.


+1. I just thought the post was a little long.

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Re: What's your take on the current state of the economy?

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If you want to vote for a person who lied to the face of the grieving famlies after the Bengahzi debacle, while standing beside the dead bodies in their flag drapped caskets, feel free. I expect more from my politicians.

Have fun voting for them. Just don't look in the mirror for a couple days, you won't like what you see.


How about a person who lied to the face of the entire world in order to manufacture a reason to go to war, then stood beside the dead bodies of soldiers while masquerading as a patriot? Would you expect more from that person? Or would you rationalize it so you can look at yourself in the mirror because you voted for him?



You must be talking about this person:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWA2ehTOrk



Thanks for proving my point. You give a pass to Republicans for the very things for which you condemn Democrats. Fair and balanced.

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Re: What's your take on the current state of the economy?

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If you want to vote for a person who lied to the face of the grieving famlies after the Bengahzi debacle, while standing beside the dead bodies in their flag drapped caskets, feel free. I expect more from my politicians.

Have fun voting for them. Just don't look in the mirror for a couple days, you won't like what you see.


How about a person who lied to the face of the entire world in order to manufacture a reason to go to war, then stood beside the dead bodies of soldiers while masquerading as a patriot? Would you expect more from that person? Or would you rationalize it so you can look at yourself in the mirror because you voted for him?

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Re: WVU Football Thread for Things That Don't Need Their Own Thread

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I didn't know he still has 3 years of eligibility. That is pretty sweet.

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Re: Christian Johnson likely to receive offer soon. kid is bad.....i want him

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He seems pretty slow to me.


Whenever I watch highlight videos the players all look slow. I try to look at the difference in speed, but then I am not sure that the other players are just really slow. He did seem to make players take bad angles a lot, which could be speed or could be that the defenders aren't very good. I will leave payer evaluations up to the coaches and just root for all of them to do well.

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Re: What's your take on the current state of the economy?

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You raised a straw man as if It were my argument then argued against it. That is what I meant by arguing both sides. Now you are misrepresenting the discourse to try to rationalize your behavior.


OK. I tried to hold out an olive leaf and you are just being too much of an asshole so here it is.

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The economy won't be fixed until the right recognizes that trickle down economics has negative consequences on the economy.


Further you post a link to an article stating "trickle down" economics is a misguided policy which stunts economic growth.

One can only assume from this that you would like the implementation of "trickle down" economics to be reversed otherwise why would you even bother making the statement that the "right" needs to understand about the policies.

The CENTRAL tenets of trickle down economics are:

1. tax reduction on business and CORPORATIONS.
2. Tax reduction for investment type operations (ie. dividends, capital gains, etc.) for individuals.

The actual term for "trickle down" economics not the derogatory term is SUPPLY side economics. It works on the SUPPLY side of the supply/demand curve. Who is on the supply side of the supply/demand curve? Corporations and big business. It also works on the SUPPLY side of the IS-LM curves. This is the investment/money supply side. Thus the tax breaks for investment operation.

So IF you espouse reversing the policy then you espouse reversing the 2 basic tenets stated above. If you don't espouse reversing the 2 tenets listed above then why would you bother posting articles about people espousing reversing the policy.

Finally, as to my "lack of historical perspective" do you have any clue why supply side economics was even chosen as a policy during the 80's? Because during the 70's we attempted demand side economics methods to stimulate the economy over and over and they DID NOT WORK! Further, they not only DIDN'T work they mired us in the same poor growth but with raging inflation. So those who are so quick to dismiss supply side economics as something that doesn't work is just plain wrong. It did help in the 80's and it will help anytime there is a supply shock to our economy...as in the 70s with the oil shock and the corn shock.

Do I favor the current tax system? It isn't all bad. It could be improved, the move back to the 39% as the top bracket was a good move. It might be nice to do something to capital gains but I in order to be fair about it needs some thought. It needs to handle inflation into long term capital gains. I really think that is what was attempted when the rate was reduced it just doesn't work well but it is simple.

The article states that supply side economics cost the US 6% in growth. Over 30 years we have 6% less growth I have a hard time believing that a person could make that type of assertion especially with the fact that I think the loss of our manufacturing cost WAY, WAY more than 65 growth in our economy.


I don't have any issue with this post. I disagree with some of it, but at least you aren't just slinging bullshit in a condescending manner.

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Re: What's your take on the current state of the economy?

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It speaks for itself. You didn't ask a question to me. You raised a straw man as if It were my argument then argued against it. That is what I meant by arguing both sides. Now you are misrepresenting the discourse to try to rationalize your behavior.


I find it funny that someone like you gets in such a snit when people disagree with you. You are maybe one of the biggest babies on here I have ever seen.

You go right on believing what ever you want.


There you go again. I am not having a snit because you disagreed with me. I am not having a snit at all. I just think your posts are typically full of **** rather than fair argument.

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Re: WVU BBall Thread for Things that Don't Need their Own Thread

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if you want to make the game better, have a STRICT, game by game review of calls, made up of, if not head coaches, then assistant coaches, retired refs, knowledgeable neutral intellegent sportswriters, and mid level personal feom teams that are in the conferences involved that are NOT representatives of either teams in the contest, with the ablility to use all angles of the game and reveiw each refs faults and good calls, to be used PUBLICLY to rate each referee on a game to game basis. yes some are judgement calls, that does NOT give each ref a pass beyond a certain ammount of inccorrect judgement calls. there should be NO ability, unless involving a play with less that 1 second left in the game WITH the ball in the air, to alter the winner/loser of the game.
YES with this process noted above, (a rough draft) referees that continually abuse the power given to them should be not be allowed to take place in power five games, until a substancial ammount of time has passed, with an obvious change in their philosoppy. The Technology is here today to do this. There is MORE than enough money in the primary leagues to implement this while withstanding the natural complaints from all referrees that will want to keep their "power" on the court. I've seen WSSSSY too many flops that were completley obvious on the teleprompter, that these refs ignore, too man refs that thin that they are a part of the game and prove so by these orgasmic moves and dances they do, especially when the call they make rouses the home team, and has a direct relationship to the game and the way it's played. (WVU at Kansas last year as just a typical example) Hold these guys accountable. Hold these flop artits accountable. that's not gamemanship, that is what the word the Patriots have used in the past when describing their illegal recording of opponents signals before the superball, and deflating balls illegally for years before they finally were caught.. It's cheating, and these refs are helf accountable to no one. fix that, and a LOT of these problems go away. if its a close call between a charge and a block (which in my vast experience) they are actually not, then let the decision stand, with the referee knowing that he will be under full review for every call he makes. it will weed out the guys that just are not good enough to make the correct call in basketball or fooball, and scare the really good ones into performing at a fair and balanced level, without showing off and doing everything by having an orgasm when they call a close, defining play.
lastly, any player deemed by this committee to have faked an injury or flopped on purpose, should be given a fine and a HARSH warning, then if that doesnt take, significant penalties, including long suspensions should ensue.
I personally LOVE the new rules on the 30 second clock, AND regardless of calling a timeout, you can NOT advance the ball upcourt simply by using a timeout, and still have only ten seconds to get the ball upcourt. DO NOT extend the three point line. the game is exciting as it is. With one and dones, which i hope and pray changes to a player not being allowed submit for the draft until he has been in the NCAA for at LEAST two seasons, the three point line is the only thing that is keeping these games high scoring...
anyway, these are my suggestions, and i prey that some of this, expecially the lack of consistancy in officiating and punishment for the most eggregious errors beign a real possiblty.
wwhat do you guys/gals think?


also, whats this about mensa being banned, what, without quoting, did he suggest that got him banned? hate to say something similiar without knowing what he said... i dont say defagatory things, but he had to make a point, what was it?


Cliff notes?

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Re: Supreme Court rules extending traffic stop to summon K9 Unconstitutional

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Its not a big deal at all. Rodriguez v. US 2015 was an affirmation pf IL v. Cabellas 2005. It was already common law, no big deal at all. It's only a news story because people are out to villian-ize law enforcement at the moment.


He's right about the precedent. Particularly in West Virginia, this decision really doesn't affect anything. Additionally, if you read the decision, the court still found that the cops had reasonable suspicion of criminal activity, so the guy got convicted anyway. You'd be amazed at how little it takes for the state to successfully argue that a cop has reasonable suspicion.

I don't agree with why it's a news story, though. It's a Supreme Court decision on an issue people actually have experience with. It's gonna make news.


Not so fast my friend. The holding in Caballes is: "A dog sniff conducted during a concededly lawful traffic stop that reveals no information other than the location of a substance that no individual has any right to possess does not violate the Fourth Amendment." The holding in Rodriguez is: "[A] police stop exceeding the time to handle the matter for which the stop was made violates the Constitution's shield against unreasonable seizures." Under these precedents, the police can conduct a search via a sniff dog contemporaneously with a routine traffic stop (Caballes), but they cannot require the detainee to wait for the K9 unit to arrive to perform a search by a sniff dog (Rodriguez). The language from the Caballes opinion that the Rodriguez Court cited related to a prolonged stop was dicta, which by definition has no precedential value and other courts are not bound to follow it. Federal courts can only decide cases based on the facts involved in the case. They cannot pronounce advisory opinions. There was no prolonged detention in Caballes because the search was completed before the traffic stop was over. Thus, the issue of whether a prolonged stop was unconstitutional was not before the Supreme Court, and they could not decide it. The language in the Caballes opinion regarding a prolonged stop being unconstitutional, therefore, was merely dicta and not a holding entitled to stare decisis. The issue was presented to the Court under the facts of Rodriguez, however, and at that point their holding became law.

EDIT: Also, none of the courts found a reasonable suspicion. The lower courts found no reasonable suspicion, but ruled the search was constitutional because the duration was de minimis (7 minutes). The 8th Circuit Court of Appeals didn't rule on the reasonable suspicion issue. Likewise, the Supreme Court didn't rule on the issue and remanded it leaving that issue open. The defendant entered a conditional plea based, I am guessing, on the outcome of the appeal.

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Re: Supreme Court rules extending traffic stop to summon K9 Unconstitutional

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Police may typically inspect a driver's license, ask for the registration and proof of insurance and check for outstanding warrants because they all are aimed at ensuring that vehicles are operated safely, Ginsburg said.





No ... Justice Ginsburg ... those are checks to make sure the vehicle is operated LAWFULLY ... not SAFELY.

Ugh. Now I am having to correct Supreme Court Justices!


With all due respect, you aren't correcting her. You are both correct. She wasn't wrong in referring to the laws regulating the use of an automobile as safety regulations. That is what they are, and that is the governmental interest on which they are based.

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Re: WVU BBall Thread for Things that Don't Need their Own Thread

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I am not a basketball guy, but it seems to me like the rule changes are going to benefit WVU's style of play, especially the reduced shot clock. I also read that they may give players 6 fouls in post season before fouling out - is that true? If so, maybe Holton can finish a game on the floor.

What say you basketball gurus?

(BTW - I kind of wish Mensa wasn't banned just for this one thread so I could see if he waited for Sane to post then posted the opposite opinion)

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Re: What's your take on the current state of the economy?

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Wow just frigin wow. You all are a bunch of sheep. You really think either party has our best interest at heart? Really!
They are both the same - Democrats or Republicans are no different. They both do back room deals, they both suck but, you all still argue your party has the countries best interest in mind. Sorry folks you are sadly mistaken. Wake up.


I agree with this (except for the "Wow just wow" thing - I cannot wait for people to realize how played that expression is. Friends isn't on TV any more people and Chandler Bing was never hip). A Republican runs as far right as he/she needs to in order to win the primary, then slides as far as necessary toward the center to win the general election. A Democrat runs as far left as he/she needs to in order to win the primary, then slides as far as necessary toward the center to win the general election. Then, regardless of who wins, they do the same sh!t under a different name and a different spin to placate their base. Congress blindly follows or obstructs based on party affiliation even though if their party was or wasn't in the White House they would do the opposite of what they are doing now. The right and left wing media spews party-spun nonsensical talking points about it either way, and the rest of the media is asleep at the wheel and too busy hyping faux race riots or a puppy being rescued from a well and fails to report on political issues with any substance at all.

The differences are largely illusory and are generated to keep people thinking that the respective political party is necessary to save people from the other party, which is filled with stupid and evil Socialists bent on taking your guns and destroying the economy or stupid and evil Nazis bent on torturing foreigners and burning fossil fuels for money until it destroys the planet.

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Re: Christian Johnson likely to receive offer soon. kid is bad.....i want him

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This thread title is creepy.

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Re: What's your take on the current state of the economy?

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Please show me where I suggested raising corporate taxes.


That is why it is a question. See those little marks at the end. That isn't accusing you of anything it is asking a question. Do you seriously not understand that?!

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You raised a straw man to tear it down, which is arguing both sides.


Raising a straw man argues both sides? That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard! While raising a straw man defeats a point not made it does not have ANYTHING whatsoever to do with arguing both sides. In deed I did preemptively handle IF you said yes but I did not say you said anything about raising corporate taxes, once again I asked a question.

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I would quote the rest of your nonsensical tirade, but it wouldn't really add to the point. You are like Cliff Clavins - a wannabe know it all who really doesn't know as much as you think you do. Don't disturb the delicate genius. And you stick to your opinions regardless of how wrong they are shown, sometimes to absurd lengths. You regularly misstate what posters are arguing and steer arguments into the abyss rather than "lose."


Hmmmm..while you state all of this BS I make I still see no rebuttal or actual pointing to a fact that I have misstated. That is not to say I am incapable of it but the fact is in all of your bloviating about my lack of knowledge on a subject you seem to lack the basic knowledge of the topic to prove me wrong so you regress to name calling...cute.

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Do you realize how silly that sounds? Someone cannot have a conversation simply because they actually cite to either actual facts or expert analysis? The reason you cannot have a conversation with me is because I call you out on your bullshit with actual facts and expert opinions rather than the typical "it seems to me" bullshit that pervades your conversations. No thanks.


Where have you called me out on anything. I have yet to see it. Please, oh wise one, please show us where I have misspoken. Your calling out is simply whining about me accusing you of having a point of view by asking a question. A QUESTION!


Anybody who reads this thread can see you are full of ****. It speaks for itself. You didn't ask a question to me. You raised a straw man as if It were my argument then argued against it. That is what I meant by arguing both sides. Now you are misrepresenting the discourse to try to rationalize your behavior. Sad. By the way, this is an example of me calling you out on your bullshit. You are full of it.

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