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Re: What's your take on the current state of the economy?
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Yea. I can read. It provides the baseline of 2008 stats. Unless I missed something about the laws of physics, being in 2016 as opposed to 2012 wouldnt change the 2008 stats.


Yeah, you've cherry picked 2008 since that was before the great recession (which started before W left) and things have drastically improved since the height of the recession in 2010-2011 and you can't blame it all on participation going down. We and YOU were talking about the CURRENT unemployment rate of 4.9 percent and participation rate. I edited my post with current information and participation rates have been falling since 2000, but have gone up in the last few months.

Live in the now. If you want to discredit the current unemployment rates, you can't use 3+ year old data.



The Great Recession was from December 2007 to July 2009. So 2008 would not have been before it and 2010-2011 could not have been the height of it.

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Re: KU/WVU round 2
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Higgs answer on Holton of "May not or probably not" is curious. Are we waiting onthe results of a retest? It would be awesome if he made the trip? I assume they fly out tonight?


DAMN! Now that is impressive! Prediction of the particle that gives the universe mass AND COACHES a top 10 basketball team! AWESOME!

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Re: It ain't easy being green...
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I think you made my point. It does nothing to offset the CO2 already emitted.


Now I see why he is struggling explaining this to you. You're asking for the impossible. There is no practical way to reduce the CO2 already there. The only thing that would actually remove CO2 would be a MASSIVE reforestation project.

The idea behind this or any other GW effort is to reduce existing emissions to reduce the impact of it.

Compare a coal fired factory that has been polluting for decades to the same company that is contributing to a fund that goes into reforestation and methane collection. In theory there is net reduction in CO2 emissions compared to before.


I don't think reforestation would be a solution. Any CO2 being scrubbed from the atmosphere would be re-emitted from the decaying leaves and wood. It just results in a time shift.

I think natural plant processes are carbon neutral. It is the same for burning wood in fireplaces. It is carbon neutral the CO2 emitted from the burning would have been taken in during aspiration when the tree was live.

Not saying that reforestation isn't a good thing just saying that over all it would not be a carbon solution.

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Re: Where's Stanley?
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He has now changed his name to Charlie.

Turns out I am one of his angels. See?

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Re: WVU sports trivia
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My brother Tom made the WVU JV team as a walk-on in 1973 or 74. . Bob Huggins had just transferred in from Ohio Univ. and wasn't allowed to practice with the varsity but did shoot around with the JV team. My brother remembers they talked mostly about fishing.Can anyone name the coach of that WVU JV team? Open in new window

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This one was a hard one and I don't know if I will get it right or not. I am going to go with two names and you tell me if I am right with either one of them.

Gary McPherson, or
Chuck Machock

.....am I right?

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Re: Signing Day 2016
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The Early Enrollees...do they count to 2015 or 2016?

How many scholarships available?

9 EE's
13 today



They count towards 2015 Scholarship levels.


How many scholarships available for 2016?


You can have 25 maximum per year but you cannot exceed 85 total scholarship players.

I know that we had some guys dismissed from the team this fall that, I thought, were first year recruits so I am assuming the 9 that were EE can replace them.

I thought that I remember hearing that we had targeted 23 signings in the 2016 class but I don't remember where I heard it.....could have been while I was getting a sammich at the Get Go from the guy at the gas station.

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Re: Signing Day 2016
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The Early Enrollees...do they count to 2015 or 2016?

How many scholarships available?

9 EE's
13 today



They count towards 2015 Scholarship levels.

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Re: Signing Day 2016
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I just looked at the list of recruits on Rivals and noticed we only have one recruit from Florida. May not be an all-time low, but it has to be the lowest number from FL in recent history?


We had more but since they now actually have to graduate with real classes and all it slows the pipeline down.




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Re: Official Be a Gator Hater, U of F Gameday Thread
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I was just able to see the vine of that Devin Williams play. That isn't the same play I thought you guys were referring too.

In this one, Devin is pretty far under the rim and moving to the baseline. I don't really see a foul at all.

The one I saw during the game was the guy making contact with Devin's shoulder.

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Re: WVU sports trivia
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Losing to Pitt 36-35 after leading 35-8 at halftime.


Yep! That had to be hard to watch...


It was even harder for the team to get out of the stadium. Angry fans were about to tip over the team bus.


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Re: WVU sports trivia
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Who played the first football game played indoors?



WVU vs Utah 1964 Liberty Bowl?


Yes! On a field that was less than 120 yards long.

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Re: Official Be a Gator Hater, U of F Gameday Thread
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https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-t ... -it-needed-202828560.html

https://vine.co/v/i5wHv5aDaue

First of all, why isn't that an over the back call?


There is no such thing as over the back, but it could have been a foul. He invaded Devin's established space.

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Last, why does Devin jump like a 6th grade girl with mono and Lyme's disease here?



This was just one of those lucky in the right place at the right time plays for FL. You can jump much higher when you are running forward as the Florida player was as opposed to having to jump from a stationary position as Williams was and the Florida player basically knocked Devin out of the way where he couldn't get full height. Devin hasn't been playing well, but that play isn't a good example of it. If anything, he may have been able to do a better job of boxing out.


I can't begin to tell you the number of mythical foul calls that I hear. "That is a reach-in foul!". WTF is a "reach-in" foul? Either it is a blocking foul if the body makes contact, an illegal use of the hands if he strikes the arm or body in a way that places the player at a disadvantage or legal play if he strikes the players hand or the ball or nothing at all.

Another one is the moving screen. One night I am doing a game and the coach (who I have never had before) is yelling at me..."That is a moving screen!".....I don't see it. This continues the next 5 times down the floor in the first half as the other team is running offense in front of him. Sixth time down. I am ready....Screw the ball handler, I am going to catch this coach's nut bag moving screen and shut him up.....still nothing.....Now his face is red, spit is coming out of his mouth and he screams "Time Out! Jesus Christ are you going to call the moving screen! Blow the Whistle!"

"Coach, I am seriously looking for it and I don't see it. Let's do this. Next time down when you see it or better yet right before you yell the number of the player and I will watch."

Next time down...."42 - Moving Screen!" As 42 leisurely goes from the top of the key down the post with no defensive player within 3 feet of him. I burst out laughing on the court. Now the coach is really pissed off. He is screaming at me as well as half his fans who seriously think he knows what he is talking about. Here is an actual conversation with a coach at the next time out.

Coach: "How can you not call the moving screen on 42?"
Me: "Coach, you realize that a moving/illegal screen is a foul?"
Coach: "Yes. So what?"
Me: "Well, before you can call a foul there has to be some contact somewhere....unless it is a technical foul. 42 has every right to run down the post. Don't you tell you kids to move when playing offense?"
Coach: "Are you kidding me? You need to read your rule book! When my kids are playing offense we aren't setting moving screens."
Me: "OK, Coach. I will get right on that. How about we both read it at the same time.....I am pretty sure when we finish it will be your first time."

For the Devin Williams play, in order to get a foul called he needs to be positioned better. If the defender rebounds and makes contact with the back of a shoulder, I don't really see that as foul. Now a defender CLEARLY square in the middle of the back that is an easy call...but from the side you have to let players make the plays they can make. At the same time I agree that as we move between the outer shoulder and center of the back there comes a line where it IS a foul. Just depends on where one decides to call it. That is largely decided for me as to where the player is positioned and how conscientious he is. If he sets his rebound position with a good angle and distance from the basket and has been in good rebounding position all game he is going to get more leeway than a guy who has set half-ass rebounding position all game.

On the other hand if he is underneath the bank board or under the basket with no hope of getting a rebound on anything but an air ball and significant contact is made there will be no foul.

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Re: WVU sports trivia
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Who played the first football game played indoors?

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Re: WVU sports trivia
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Which WVU football player was the first NFL player featured on the cover of Time magazine?


The violent world of Sam Huff.....

1 of only 2 numbers retired from our football team.

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Re: WVU sports trivia
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Who is the only athlete in West Virginia University history to letter in five sports - football, track, wrestling, gymnastics and swimming (he won the conference diving championship) and was a Super Bowl MVP?


Chuck Howley?

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Re: Official Be a Gator Hater, U of F Gameday Thread
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So you call the game in a way that requires you to do less work. Got it. Yikes.


You don't want to have a fight break out in your game. It leads to having to take days off work and it can kill an officiating career.....and depending on the circumstances can lead to lawsuits. Given that I get about $55+/hour and a game fee for HS is between $60-$110 depending on the type of game being officiated; fights cost you money all the way around.

Remember, an official receives a game fee and nothing else. He gets nothing extra for blowing his whistle. So if he blows it he is doing more work. I always remind coaches of this. It is ultimately in my best interest not to blow the whistle.

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Re: Official Be a Gator Hater, U of F Gameday Thread
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There is absolutely no way we win. I have seen fouls called on us that are so laughable.

Paige dribbling down the court
A player literally jumping on devin Williams back
Boxing out
Missing a dunk
Getting pushed away
Getting pushed out of bounds
Performing a spin move
Rebounding
Literally standing while a player drives and jumps into you

We have had fouls called on us on all of those plays (except getting pushed out of bounds. They just gave the ball back to florida and ignored the obvious push)

I've seen 2 obvious travels lead to 3 point baskets for Florida that weren't called.

No way we win if that continues.



Paige dribbling down court used his forearm to push off. I don't think I would have called it BUT with the overall foul calling during the game and the infantile way the game started this is what you get. You want to start fighting before the game and you are going to get this kind of crap called. For Paige it was indeed borderline. At the same time I wouldn't call it laughable. It could have gone either way. Context is important when a game is officiated.

The last one I assume was the drive to the basket by Florida against Devin Williams, I think, Devin had his foot inside the restricted arc. In this instance, the foul is on him regardless of how early he got there. I don't like the restricted arc but that is the rule.

I would say that they are calling a pretty tight game with a lot of fouls but that is the nature and I see a lot of talk out there. The more the teams trash talk the closer the game will be called. If a fight breaks out the officials want to have a documented video stream that they didn't let it get out of hand.

Now......I hope WVU wins but I must go to referee basketball games so....continue the stream so that I can be entertained when I get home.

Oh.....and for whoever was talking about the walks, WVU is traveling too. Devin Williams shot when we were closing he clearly hopped before the shot and it wasn't called. I agree that traveling in college basketball generally should be called better but these guys aren't doing a bad job.

As for boxing out you need to ask yourself one critical question:

Did the boxer displace the person he was boxing out?

Boxing out is placing your body between the opponent and the ball. At no time are you allowed to back a person off his spot. If you do.....that is a foul.


Yes we get it, players could literally be called every second of the game. The problem here is that the refs are influencing the pace and momentum of the game.


No. That is not the case at all. I mean calls are made every second of the game. A call is made even when the whistle is NOT blown.

The rules are pretty clear what should and shouldn't be called. I am not saying that officials never miss a call. We all do I am normally one of the first to admit my mistake if I know I made it. At the same time, what appears to be inconsistent is the severity of the contact has no bearing on whether it is a foul. Quite severe contact could not be a foul while a very slight amount of contact could indeed be a foul.

To give a perfect example, two opposing players are trying to get from their point As to their respective point Bs. At the top of the key both players collide with neither player clearly gaining an advantage and both players being placed at about the same disadvantage. As both players had the right to go where they are going there is NO FOUL. Lots of fans see this and complain....you have to have something. I did have something....legal play....play on.

On the other hand Player A is given the ball down low and extends his arm slightly to displace Player B a little to create separation. This contact gives Player A a distinct advantage and must be called a foul regardless of how insignificant or in some instances the fact that the fans might not even have had the angle to see the contact.

I watched the first half and I can say that I thought the officials called a tight game but as an official, if I have to keep these jackasses from fighting before the game even started I am not likely to chance a fight breaking out during the game. When fights break out and ejections are handed out we invariably have a bit of paperwork and reports to do. I don't know about others but if calling a tight game keeps me from doing the paperwork and attending hearings, then so be it. Maybe the teams will figure that out and act like adults in the future.

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Re: Official Be a Gator Hater, U of F Gameday Thread
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There is absolutely no way we win. I have seen fouls called on us that are so laughable.

Paige dribbling down the court
A player literally jumping on devin Williams back
Boxing out
Missing a dunk
Getting pushed away
Getting pushed out of bounds
Performing a spin move
Rebounding
Literally standing while a player drives and jumps into you

We have had fouls called on us on all of those plays (except getting pushed out of bounds. They just gave the ball back to florida and ignored the obvious push)

I've seen 2 obvious travels lead to 3 point baskets for Florida that weren't called.

No way we win if that continues.



Paige dribbling down court used his forearm to push off. I don't think I would have called it BUT with the overall foul calling during the game and the infantile way the game started this is what you get. You want to start fighting before the game and you are going to get this kind of crap called. For Paige it was indeed borderline. At the same time I wouldn't call it laughable. It could have gone either way. Context is important when a game is officiated.

The last one I assume was the drive to the basket by Florida against Devin Williams, I think, Devin had his foot inside the restricted arc. In this instance, the foul is on him regardless of how early he got there. I don't like the restricted arc but that is the rule.

I would say that they are calling a pretty tight game with a lot of fouls but that is the nature and I see a lot of talk out there. The more the teams trash talk the closer the game will be called. If a fight breaks out the officials want to have a documented video stream that they didn't let it get out of hand.

Now......I hope WVU wins but I must go to referee basketball games so....continue the stream so that I can be entertained when I get home.

Oh.....and for whoever was talking about the walks, WVU is traveling too. Devin Williams shot when we were closing he clearly hopped before the shot and it wasn't called. I agree that traveling in college basketball generally should be called better but these guys aren't doing a bad job.

As for boxing out you need to ask yourself one critical question:

Did the boxer displace the person he was boxing out?

Boxing out is placing your body between the opponent and the ball. At no time are you allowed to back a person off his spot. If you do.....that is a foul.

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Re: Official Be a Gator Hater, U of F Gameday Thread
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Does anyone know if the defender touched the ball on the layup to be awarded 2 points?

I didn't think the defender touched the ball. The commentators said it was because the defender hit the backboard.

If this is the case the referee's ignorance of the rules gave us 2 points. It is not basket interference to hit the backboard. If it happens on a attempt to block a shot it is nothing. If it happens out of anger it is a technical foul.

In this instance it should have been nothing.

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Re: Potential 1/21-23/16 Blizzard
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