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Re: You can all thank the Anti-Vaxers for this.
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Not sure what the pro-vaxers are scared of...

You and yours are vaccinated, why do you care?


I guess we didn't read above or else didn't believe it. The facts are I DON'T KNOW if my children are protected. It is most probable that they are but I am not sure. Furthermore, I don't really want to find out. That takes everyone to make sure we don't need to find out whether a particular individual is or is not actually immune.

Finally, there are a significant number of people that CAN NOT be vaccinated because of a pre-existing condition. They need protection too and that comes by building a "bubble" around them of vaccinated people.


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Re: You can all thank the Anti-Vaxers for this.
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Re: You can all thank the Anti-Vaxers for this.
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Vaccination is a legal requirement. The government isn't administering the vaccine, but they're requiring it.


....and from the outbreaks they appear to be doing as good a job of regulating that as they do with drugs and immigration.

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Re: You can all thank the Anti-Vaxers for this.
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Way less than firearm deaths, in case you wanted to be aware of your discrepancy when picking and choosing a "# of death" justification for action....


That is not really a valid comparison because we are not trading one for another. A better look would be the 500 comparison with the number of people who die each year from the measles vaccine. That number is:

?? No way to know because:

1. it is extremely rare
2. There is no way to know if the vaccine did it because the control group had about the same number of deaths.

So, you are trading 500 lives for almost no serious reactions. There is so little downside it would be crazy not to do it.

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Re: You can all thank the Anti-Vaxers for this.
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Nice rant. out of 315,000,000 people last year in the US, there were 644 reported cases of measles and 0 deaths. For comparisons sake there were 234 reported injuries due to lightning strikes and 33 deaths. Forgive me if I'm not terrified of Measles. Practically all of the deaths from Measles worldwide are in countries that don't have clean drinking water or healthy food to eat. Again, our Doctor has advised us on getting several vaccinations, MMR is one that he is avoiding giving to his kids. There may not be any danger but he's not fully convinced and given the already non-existent mortality rate in this country, we're following his lead.


That is because people have vaccinated! Now people are going without it. We have gone from about 60 cases per year to on average 10 160 cases per year. That is a 3X increase almost.

Mortality from the measles is NOT non-existant in this country. Before we vaccinated we had about 500 deaths per year. Look, they are your and his kids. If you want to put them at risk that is your prerogative I guess. I don't think it is wise and a doctor that recommends to his patients not to get vaccinated because they PROBABLY won't die should have his certifications checked. Are your kids vaccinated against chicken pox?

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Re: You can all thank the Anti-Vaxers for this.
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For the love of God people! VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM!!!!!!

One study showed a POSSIBLE link between Thimerisol and autism. Hundreds of studies have shown absolutely NO LINK WHATSOEVER. The man in charge of the study that showed a link ADMITTED to falsifying the data and lying on the results. This just never goes away.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP Perpetuating this MYTH!!!!!!!!

More people are being diagnosed with autism because more doctors are searching for it. We had a number of kids that I went to school with over the years that were "odd". Did they have autism? Probably. Were they diagnosed with it? Nope. Amazing that when you look for it and spread your criteria to diagnose it you will have more cases aka Broad Spectrum Autism. See what we did there? We kept adding things to it and we keep finding more and so there is more "It must be because we vaccinate" is really not a reasonable deduction.

Just because you are vaccinated for anything doesn't mean you are immune. ALMOST all of the time the vaccine results in immunity but there are some times when it doesn't work. This is the reason that we need to keep our vaccination numbers up. If I can find the link showing that EVEN though you have 100% vaccination you have some vulnerability. Further you have some people that CAN NOT be vaccinated. As a result everyone else has to protect themselves. It really doesn't take too many people refusing vaccinations before it results in epidemics.

For those that had flu shots and got the flu. You didn't get it from the shot and not all season's flu shots are as effective as others. This year's shot I am told is not very effective as the wrong strains/different strains were selected and the flu going around is different. I have been getting a flu shot for the last 10 years and I can't remember the last time I had the flu. I am happy with it.

To the person who's doctor recommended not getting an MMR vaccination. You need to find a new doctor! Seriously! Measles kill 450,000+ every year. Now that we have outbreaks occurring everywhere, if I weren't vaccinated I would get the vaccination now.

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Re: WVU at Kansas State 7pm tonight ESPN2
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It means, I guess Phillips could have stood there with the ball until he gets called for whatever the call is when you are being guarded closely, and you don't make any move to put distance between himself and the defender to reset the count.
I think Carter turned them over that way when their guard couldn't shake him. Maybe it's a 5 second rule. Regardless, it was an off hand remark. The thing I don't understand is a ref agreeing that it was up to Tarik to get out of the guys way, and when he got knocked out of bounds, its not a foul because it's big boy basketball. Not trying to be an ass, just really struck me as off.
Then again, I am not a ref, and my wife seems to think im wrong quite a bit, so who knows.


There is no 5 second count in the back court. That only occurs in the front court.

No one is saying Tarik is responsible for getting out of the way of the defender. I am saying that you don't bail a player out who has made a series of bad decisions. Just because there is illegal contact DOES NOT constitute a foul. Most illegal contact is incidental contact and is not a foul. It does require a judgement as to whether the contact placed a player at a disadvantage. My point about big-boy basketball is that if you are tip toeing along the opposite end line after a rebound and you don't pass the ball or dribble out of your poor position what disadvantage are you placed at by a little contact? The contact appeared worse than it was by the fact that he is already off balance. The player was already at a disadvantageous place. The contact DID NOT make it worse it only hastened the ultimate end.

I have seen this exact same play in numerous college games. It is practically always called the same way. In my opinion, that same play with Tarik dribbling the ball out of there and you have a foul.

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Re: WVU at Kansas State 7pm tonight ESPN2
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The only way Phillips should have lost possession standing there was a three second violation if he was being guarded without doing anything.


WTF?!



I have no idea what this means.

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Re: WVU at Kansas State 7pm tonight ESPN2
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I didn't see anyone talk about the no call "shove" toward the end of the game. Their big guy clearly body checked our player sending him out of bounds and the ref says he fell out of bounds on his own.

One of the worst called games I've seen all year for any college game watched.


Yea. I saw that. I wouldn't have called a foul either. As an official you don't bail a player out when he puts himself in a bad situation. Before contact he had an opportunity to dribble out and turn around. He chose not to. Further he didn't turn to find an outlet pass either.

There was no "shove" he did contact with his body. As I say, if you want to play big boy ball a little contact is to be expected especially when you decided to hold the ball, not dribble out and not to pass to your point guard. I think that the contact was not the determinant factor in losing the ball. Not saying it is right I am saying that there is no way I blow the whistle on that. If there was doubt in my mind as a fan I am sure there was doubt as an impartial official.

I find it humorous that every time I read about a game it becomes the worst officiated game they ever saw....until the next one.

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Re: WVU at Kansas State 7pm tonight ESPN2
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Another one I'm not sure about..

We've all seen a "PERFECT" screen where the defender doesn't even see the screen man and runs into him full speed and ends up dazed and confused on the floor.

Shouldn't that be a foul on the defender as well?


That depends. If a screen is executed in the visual field of the defender, no time and distance is required and the screener can stop just short of contact. If the screen is outside of the visual field of the defender, the screener must give the defender time and distance to react. The rules state that the defender gets at least one step but not more than two. Remember that these guys have pretty long legs so that screener has to stay back quite a bit. If he does not give the required time and distance he is guilty of an illegal screen. That would be a team control foul. Loss of possession but no foul shots if in the bonus.

If he does give the proper time and distance the defender is legally allowed to make contact and there is no limit to the severity of the contact providing the defender does not displace the screener. I have seen numerous times where the defender hits the screen and ends up as a ball on the floor. Everyone wants a foul but the screen was legal and the contact was legal.

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Re: WVU at Kansas State 7pm tonight ESPN2
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If displacement is never legal, how do offensive players "back into" the basket without it being an offensive foul/charge?


In those instances in which the offensive player backs into the defensive player, the correct call should be a charge. You are correct. In college it is hardly ever called because of the belief that the defensive player should be strong enough to hold their ground. You see it called more in high school. If the defensive player is moving side to side it is A LOT harder to make the call. Then you are unsure about whether there IS displacement and whether any possible displacement is placing the defender at a disadvantage or giving the advantage to the offensive player. Remember, before you blow the whistle you should be 100% sure that it is a foul. As a result, a lot of fouls go uncalled not because they didn't happen but because the official is unsure of the effect of the contact.

EDIT: In college ball, the arm bar is a legal maneuver if the offensive player has his back to the basket so there is some defense to the offending player.

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I don't know how many times I've seen a big man absolutely bully his way into the paint, and if the defender holds his ground, it's a blocking foul on the defensive player.


Agreed. Charges are poorly called. In general, you get much less grief as an official to call a block. That is the sad fact. I have seen MANY calls in college basketball a block when it should have been a charge in my opinion. On the other hand, I have seen charges which were clearly charges that get called and the official gets nothing but grief. I think the grief factor may be at work here.

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Same goes with a screen change...the foul is ALWAYS called on the defender for impeding progress of the offensive player...regardless of whether the defender was there first... Example of one of Adrian's late fouls last night. The guard tried to go around the screen and Adrian slipped out to cover him. The guard ran right into him and the foul was called on Adrian.


I didn't see that play but it is probably the same type of situation where it is just "easier" to call the foul on the defender.

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Re: WVU at Kansas State 7pm tonight ESPN2
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It is my bias or has the refereeing in the Big12 been bad this year? It just seems that there are a lot of "bad calls" being made. Thoughts?


Last night I only got to see the second half of the game because....I was out refereeing a girls high school game but....

I usually defend the officials as you know but in this instance they made a couple gaffs that really hurt a not badly officiated game from my watch. I started watching with about 13 minutes left in the 2nd half.

The problems were:

1. The walk on Williams(?) when he went to the ground was awful. There is no defending that. There is no way he had control of that ball at any point on the way down....BTW...if you watched the game and felt he did possess the ball at any point on the way down, the travel would have been properly called.

2. A hand full of seconds later the official missed a back court violation on K-State. The dribbler CLEARLY had 2 feet in the front court and the ball CLEARLY hit the floor with a dribble in the front court before being fumbled into the back court. The K-State player CLEARLY was the last to touch it in the front court and was the first to touch it in the back court. As a result whether the WVU player touched it in the mean time is irrelevant.

3. While we were taking the ball out of bounds with just a few seconds left a K-State player in his own paint appeared to me to grab a player. A foul was called and we threw the ball away. In my opinion the player in the paint grabbed the WVU player in an attempt to keep the clock from starting (ie. foul before the start of the clock) This should have been called an intentional foul.

In reference to a very early post in this thread asking how you can be called for a foul for boxing out, it is not all that uncommon. In my opinion, WVU boxes out very poorly and I don't care if Huggins IS a Hall of Fame coach, it appears from his arguments in other times that I have seen it called that he doesn't understand this rule.

"Boxing out" is the technique of placing YOUR body between the opponent and the ball such that the opponent must come THROUGH you to get the ball. Favorable boxing out position DOES NOT give you the right to A. Jump into the opponent or B. Displace the opponent from his location. I have seen both Williams and Holten jump back into the opponent. I routinely call players for "backing out" the opponent. Does displacement always constitute a foul? No, but displacement is never legal.

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Re: Obamacare goes to the Supreme Court
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Though I'm not a fan of these wars, at least that is the job of the government is to protect the citizens. Providing bad government run health care, forcibly taking money from me for something I can get on the private market is not the job of the government. Government health care is soooooo good, England is trying to privatize it again since socialized medicine is a failure.


Hmmmmmm....Let's see:

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Hmmm.....what portion of this might lend itself to nationwide healthcare?.....Hmmmmm.......whatever could it be that would be a mandate to offer healthcare, Social Security and other human services?

I think you should look at the "privatization" of UK healthcare, because after they are done "privatizing" it, it will still be more socialist than what WE have now.

EDIT: Look, I am as staunch a 2nd amendment guy as anyone on here but I can't in good conscience tell people to read the 2nd amendment as written and not read the freakin' preamble as written.

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Re: WVU at Kansas State 7pm tonight ESPN2
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We won by 6 points. a lot of science went into that formula, and that's why its so accurate


Ever thought about writing a Global Warming model? We could use ANOTHER one. You seem to have a knack for these scientific relationships.....

....oops Soap Box!

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Re: WVU at Kansas State 7pm tonight ESPN2
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Here's a simpler formula:

Make shots = good chance to win

Don't make shots = good chance to lose


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...there is this thing called a "basket". You take the ball given to you and aim it towards the "basket"" with the FULL CONFIDENCE that you will throw the ball into the center of said "basket". When completed, you have succeeded in making a said "basket". This defines scoring in a game called "Basketball".



PFFFFT! No way that is important and by the way......they changed the name of the game to basketmakingcantpossiblybeimportantball.

EVERYONE IN "the know" knows that.

I can't believe you morons still give a rat's ass if the ball goes in the hoop or not. We all got schooled...rememmer? I can't forget my schooling. I am still scratching my head at that but....OK.

We simply just must play stifling defense to such a level that they take points away from K-State and we win 0 to -30.

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Re: Ferguson
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Now let's all go back to pretending that FoxNews is the good guy and MSNBC are the bad guys.


MSNBC are the bad guys. They are half of the bad guy equation with Fox News making up the other half. The rest of the dimwitted journalists in other news bureaus make up the remaining half of the problem.


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Re: Shooting Hesitation
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It's their second amendment right to shoot, not shoot or hesitate to shoot.

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Re: 2014 Hottest Year on Record
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The point is that there's no evidence based reason to disagree. The facts point to one reality - the planet is warming. To make that a matter of opinion, that people disagree over, makes no sense.


I have no idea why you would think that everyone HAS to agree with the global warming prognosis. Not even ALL scientists agree on global warming. ALL scientists don't accept evolution and evolution has a WHOLE LOT MORE evidence than global warming.

In terms of public policy, there is more than enough of a majority to enact change if it is in the best interest of the country.

Kyoto was a disastrous agreement. The Europeans got what they always wanted the right to denigrate the US without doing anything. The sad facts are that the US has done a better job of reducing emissions than Europe.

Kyoto didn't even include China and India. That oversight alone makes me skeptical of anything the reduction camp can dream up. Sorry, but the sad fact is, the greenhouse gas reducers are inept.

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Re: 2014 Hottest Year on Record
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This goes way beyond adaptability. Trillions of dollars of the most valuable real estate in the world could eventually be underwater for one. Can you imagine what that means to rebuild/move all of that?

Are we going to grow gills in time to head this off?


You see? This is the problem I have on the other side of this issue. The problem is hyping of the problem to unreal proportions.

First off, there is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO threat to the human species survival with global warming. To say otherwise is to distort the truth. We, as a specie, biologically, DO NOT have to change at all to survive a planet that is warmer.

Secondly, yes trillions of dollars of the world's most valuable real estate will be underwater.....but you know what? A trillion dollars of property now will become trillions of dollars worth of property as a result. That $60,000 house 8 streets back from the ocean will be a $450,000 beach front house. There will be winners for every associated loser.

Thirdly, this is not going to happen so fast that we will be drowning in the water. There is plenty of time to move back from the waters edge. Last I heard, you have another 80 years. How about starting now? That might be a good idea.

Sea waters have risen and fallen over human history. The Mediterranean Sea is full of villages that you can dive and see. The same in other instances around the world of waters covering ancient human homes.

Finally, with all of the costs associated with moving people THERE ARE ASSOCIATED costs of remediating the problem. The facts are that MANY people will die as a result of global warming. Remediation of the problem will result in deaths also. There is no free lunch here and we need to understand the full effect of what we are talking about here. In order to reduce carbon emissions we need to reduce manufacturing output including agriculture which is a large emitter of greenhouse gases. THIS WILL effect world food supply.

Currently 41,000 children die of starvation each day. Do you think a reduction in economic output will increase or decrease this number? The number of people who die due to poor economic conditions is significantly higher than this. The number given an economic reduction will undoubtedly be far higher. So are YOU prepared to stare in the face of these dying people and tell them THEIR lives are worth less than a POSSIBLE death in the future?

Scientists are NOT here to make value judgements. They merely tell people that if you don't do this we think this will happen. The point is that you have to decide whether a DEFINITE bad situation now is somehow less harmful than a POSSIBLE terrible situation in the future.

In my mind, before we decide that we need to see a better ability to assess the results than what we have now. The models that we have in the first generation were pretty poor. The models we have now are PURPORTED to be better but there is no one actually verifying ANY of these models with any known methodology. Until that time comes where a REAL analysis is done everything is just supposition and hysteria.

For me, I think we as a society need to be conservative and do what we can to reduce our emissions. I do so in my daily life. We need to manufacture things that can be FIXED instead of filling our landfills with disposable crap from Walmart. To make sweeping changes and force changes too fast would be a bad idea. Do what you can but don't set hard targets. That has bad implications in my opinion.

We need to stop calling them landfills and go back to calling them GARBAGE DUMPS so we understand what we are doing to our environment.

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Re: 2014 Hottest Year on Record
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Ok....but just for science sake!

Behold these bathing beauties.....

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