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Re: EAT SHIT PITT BBALL
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I don't get to see many WVU basketball games because I am usually out officiating when they play but I got an earlier tip-off tournament game on Saturday and was able to be home to see all but the first 4 minutes of the game.

I should say that I have seen a lot of improvement in Bender. I would not have given you a nickel for him last year but in my estimation he may be worth tree-fitty now.

He doesn't look completely lost.

I thought the game was poorly officiated overall but it wasn't THE reason for the Pitt comeback. That should be a little concerning. Javon did some great stuff and he did some bad stuff that got him into foul trouble.

Huggins should not need to ask for an interpretation of the cylinder rule. This has been in place for a couple of years now. With a salary of a couple million a year he should be able to afford the $10 to get a rule book or optionally, like I do, he could just download the PDF file and read it for himself.

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Re: Dangerous Donald
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NO ONE.....and I mean NO ONE, hires a worker because they have more money in their pocket. They hire workers because they have a need. Anyone that believes the narrative that more money for the corporations means more money for the workers is an idiot. Sorry.....I at least, am too old and have run my own company too long to fall for that story.

In order to grow business you need to have more demand. This might occur in the early times of this tax bill but as the deficits roll in, and they will, these tax cuts are going to be rolled back....and you can bet your bottom dollar that they will make these roll backs automatic so they don't have to vote to raise your taxes and then we will be back to the old system but you can't deduct your state, local and property taxes and you can't deduct a bunch of other things. That will end up being a tax increase on the middle class.

The next thing that this bill will do is to spur business to move off-shore. Yes you heard me right. The Make American Great Again troll will be responsible for a significant amount of manufacturing leaving this country. "Why?" You say.

Because this bill will allow companies to repatriate foreign profits tax free. Currently, there is no incentive for companies that do a significant amount of business and HQ in this country to move off-shore unless they COMPLETELY move off-shore. Now they will be able to move their manufacturing to another country and this will allow profits everywhere ELSE in the world to be brought back tax free. So you will see an increase in Corporate HQ's moving back to the US. So if you are one of the people that are in upper management.....good for you there is about to be more mobility in your job. The workers though......not so much.




I know you THINK you have a deep understanding of how the economy works, but these paragraphs show, on so many levels, you don't have complete understanding of the entire picture. I am going to stop short of saying you are wrong, because I believe you want to be right. You just don't quite see the entire picture.


Well....let's hear this nugget. How am I wrong? Don't just say I am wrong because I can give you concrete examples of how professional, award winning economists side with me on this tax bill. But I am interested in hearing all sides.

Tax cut results in wage growth...debunked

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump- ... x-obama-economist-2017-10

Tax cut boon to economy debunked.

https://www.ft.com/content/8b5233a6-d142-11e7-9dbb-291a884dd8c6

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Tax bill rewards companies that go off shore.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/bus ... ffshore-repatriation.html

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Re: Dangerous Donald
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ABC ran fake news about Trump which caused DOW to drop 350 points.

https://i.redd.it/xj6ggpqpje101.png

This is a great point that lost on many people. The market drop clearly shows that Trump and his policies are the driving force behind the current bull market highs. Anything that jeopardizes his leadership and Implementation of those policies directly and negatively impacts our markets and economy. This is now the Trump economic recovery and it will only get better if his tax cuts are signed into law.


I don't see it. The Dow is already up anticipating a drop in corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%. This is the mass of the DOW rise. Since stock prices are based on the free cash flows of a corporation if you increase the free cash flows you increase the value of the company.

I don't really see how this will translate to a whole lot more than a company making more money on the same sales. I don't see this improving the economy as a whole.

This tax bill, which I might say, is about the worst conceived taxation bill I have seen in my lifetime, does little to really improve the economy. The middle class tax cuts are provisional. They will be rolled back and I suspect will be tax increases after the deficits start rolling in to the tune of a trillion dollars over the coming 10 years.

Just to make sure people know where I fall on this issue, I believe that corporations should have their tax rate taken to 0% and to have the offset in revenue taken up by increases to the marginal tax rates of the high income earners. I would gladly support a return to Kennedy era or even before tax rates on individuals. This would allow corporations to make money and pass that money to the stock holders. Stock holders like the masses that have 401ks would receive these dividends tax free while the wealthy that use the dividends as income would be taxed at a marginal rate commensurate with their income.

This tax bill is just horrible and will go down as another tax increase like the one Reagan imposed in 1986. However the average Republican sheep will believe that taxes are cut just like they now believe that Reagan cut taxes.




Well here is one/a few ways.

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So we pick examples from the high flying world of public utilities. You know, those drivers of the economy.

Come on! First off, any CEO would tout all of the great things they will do with the money. I am surprised she didn't talk about how they were going to feed the hungry children at the orphanages.

The public water system is a complete ball of crap. I have lost my water more in the last two years than I have in my previous 48 years. I have been under MULTIPLE boil water advisories. My land line phone system sucks. If you are rural in WV your phone system sucks even more. They have been pocketing profits since these utilities were privatized. They sucked up the public money that built them and have done little improvements in the last 50 years. Ask any person that works in this sector about the state of the delivery system and you will hear the same story.

But the fact is that there is a system in place to allow company's to invest in their systems and upgrade them. That money is already non-taxable via a thing called depreciation. So they could have been doing this for the last 50 years, MOSTLY tax free. They are doing it now and they have to do it now because of their neglect. The difference truly is that now with the tax cuts this lady will still be able to make her millions while they use the profits to upgrade the system.

The facts are that this public utility is not representative of industry across the world. Industries DO NOT grow because they make more money. They grow because DEMAND for their product increases. Their profits grow because they become more efficient, ie. automation at the cost of jobs.

NO ONE.....and I mean NO ONE, hires a worker because they have more money in their pocket. They hire workers because they have a need. Anyone that believes the narrative that more money for the corporations means more money for the workers is an idiot. Sorry.....I at least, am too old and have run my own company too long to fall for that story.

In order to grow business you need to have more demand. This might occur in the early times of this tax bill but as the deficits roll in, and they will, these tax cuts are going to be rolled back....and you can bet your bottom dollar that they will make these roll backs automatic so they don't have to vote to raise your taxes and then we will be back to the old system but you can't deduct your state, local and property taxes and you can't deduct a bunch of other things. That will end up being a tax increase on the middle class.

The next thing that this bill will do is to spur business to move off-shore. Yes you heard me right. The Make American Great Again troll will be responsible for a significant amount of manufacturing leaving this country. "Why?" You say.

Because this bill will allow companies to repatriate foreign profits tax free. Currently, there is no incentive for companies that do a significant amount of business and HQ in this country to move off-shore unless they COMPLETELY move off-shore. Now they will be able to move their manufacturing to another country and this will allow profits everywhere ELSE in the world to be brought back tax free. So you will see an increase in Corporate HQ's moving back to the US. So if you are one of the people that are in upper management.....good for you there is about to be more mobility in your job. The workers though......not so much.


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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Big weekend for recruiting coming up. It's official visit weekend, where most of the verbal commitments and a few others take official visits. The vast majority of the recruiting class will be in Morgantown over the weekend starting tomorrow.

WVU expects the vast majority of recruits to sign during the early signing period, Dec 20-22. Right now, WVU has 22 verbal commitments. Hopefully they can hang on to all of them and all will sign before Christmas. The only two maybes that I know of are Kwantel Raines and Leddie Brown. Raines has repeatedly stated his pledge to WVU, but Pitt and Penn State are pushing hard. Penn St lost their top safety commit to the Penn State Pen, as he was caught on tape with the gun in an armed robbery of a convenience store. Brown has remained committed while exploring options at North Carolina and Florida. Let's hope we keep both.

The last great need for the 2018 class is cornerback, and the guy they want, Jeremy Webb,is in town for his official this weekend. We are competing with Va Tech and Nebraska. He needs to leave Morgantown very impressed, to say the least. Backup options appear to be Keith Washington, Taymon Cooke, and players currently committed to Missouri and Arizona State.

Others in play include an outside linebacker and perhaps WR Kory Taylor. I doubt the OLB thing happens, but WVU still has eyes on a couple of guys from down south. We might be down to a CB (hopefully Webb), maybe one more player, and perhaps a transfer or two. Stay tuned.



I do not understand why Raines would go to Pitt. 1 player on defense can’t make the difference when everyone else is awful.


To back up professeer I have been hearing the same about Raines. I have also been hearing that we may not want him.....he has.......troubles, we'll just say.

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Re: Top 4????
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Actually, in the first playoff (2014) TCU should have gotten in over Florida State, not Ohio State.

Everyone agreed that FSU was NOT one of the four best teams, and they should not have gotten in. But, because they didn't lose a game and they won their conference championship, the committee said they HAD to put them in over TCU. They rationalized it by saying TCU hadn't won the conference outright (co-champs). Baylor got discounted for their OOC schedule.

Which, as we all know, leaving TCU out was complete BS.

This travesty actually led to the current "rule" of putting in the four BEST teams.

Alabama should be thanking TCU for taking the screwing in 2014 that allowed Bama to get in this year.


There was no way they were going to be able to keep FSU out of the playoff. I understand the 4 best and that they were not one of the four best....BUT....

FSU was the defending National Champion. They had no lost a game. How can one arbitrarily say that the reigning National Champion who hadn't lost any games isn't playoff worthy?

Any team that missed it this year with the exception of Georgia and Oklahoma has no one but themselves to blame. Win your games and you are in. FSU did all they could do in 2014. They won them all.

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Re: Dangerous Donald
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So, liberals, help me out here, Trump agrees that JERUSALEM is the capital of ISRAEL and you call him a nazi??? You guys are idiots! LMAO


You recognize that this issue is a big problem in the ability to ever have a peace plan?

I don't think there will ever be one but when it was all set up originally Jerusalem was to be an independent city. Then the Israelis took it in the war in '67.

90% of the issues with Israel is them bulldozing Palestinian houses, illegally I might add, in the area of Jerusalem.

So, you send a message that if you want something violence and taking ti is the answer. Sowing that seed is going to reap a crop of killing and terror.

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Re: UVA vs WVU 12/5
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I know this is off thread but. Anyone got a for sure return date for Ahmad ? I was reading an article the other day and no one really knows. Not even Huggs


No one really knows exactly. WVU has to petition the NCAA via paperwork and the NCAA has to rule. Most likely it will be January 9, game against Baylor but it could be the January 13, Texas Tech game.

A half a season with 31 games is actually 15 1/2 games in. So it could be after 15 or after 16 since they won't tell him that he can't come in till half time of the Baylor game.

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Re: Heart of Dallas Bowl
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Opponent is Utah.


Guess that's answered, have we ever played Utah before?? Should be interesting. IN CHUGS WE TRUST


Actually we have played Utah before and in addition to getting our keisters handed to us by them there are a couple of interesting "firsts" we collectively experienced.

WVU and Utah played in the first ever Liberty Bowl.

Our game with Utah was played in Atlantic City and it was the first college football game to be played indoors. It was played on a field that was only 90 yards long. Midfield was the 45.

I think it is also the first college game televised locally in the Atlantic City area. Here is a little article with a picture of the bowl.

http://triblive.com/sports/college/wv ... 87-74/bowl-jefferson-game

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Re: 2017 Women's Basketball
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Nice! They are putting together a nice little season here.

I actually thought they would lose that game by going there and all.


Nice job ladies!!!!!!

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Re: Top 4????
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16 team. All conference champs are automatically in (12). Then add the next 4 from the college playoff committee rankings Then rank thenm


And reduce regular season to 10 games? That's 4 games for the champion and runner-up. Never happen.


Am I wrong, or doesn't the artist formerly known as Div. 1AA (FCS) have 16 teams in their playoff? I mean, they all seem to be ok after ALL those games, right? Shitload of money to be made. In the words of the great Mike Leach, "College football has no reason to just give the NFL the entire month of December. So do the bowls a week or maybe two weeks after the season ends." Fans are happy. Best team wins.. Who loses?
This format also lends itself to the renegotiation of television money, and the realignment of the conferences for the best college football football landscape ever, if the dominos fall into place when the majority of conferences are due to renegotiate in 2024-2025. Let's cross our fingers..


At that level they only play 11 games during the regular season. They don't have a conference championship. So you need to pitch to the big boys that they reduce their season by one or two games depending on the team.

Let me save you some time......It ain't a gonna happen.

They make WAYYYYY too much money on those games to give that up. They, in their hearts, would forfeit a "real" championship to shove money in their pockets.

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Re: Top 4????
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Clemson. 12-1
Oklahoma. 12-1
Georgia. 12-1
Alabama. 11-1

Ohio State 2 losses
Whiskey. Just lost to Ohio State
USC too many losses
Auburn. No
TCU. No
Miami. No

Those look like the 4 best to me


Just my opinion but I don't think they will allow Alabama in. I think they learned their lesson with Ohio State last year. OSU didn't even score a point. I think the committee will choose Ohio State over Alabama. You could very easily say that Alabama lost to Georgia too. The Auburn game wasn't really close.

How about pissing everyone off and allowing UCF in on their undefeated season? Do I think they are one of the four best? I don't really know but I do know no one has proven that they are better than them this year. Can't say that for the rest of the people.

The fourth team could be considered irrelevant. I really think this may belong to either Clemson, Oklahoma or Georgia. So I say give it to the Knights!

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Re: Game 13
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A lot of the predictors have WVU in the Liberty Bowl against Missouri.

My daughter who is in the band had heard Liberty Bowl a couple weeks ago. We will soon find out.

I just hope it is a bowl that will allow our family to be together at Christmas.

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Re: Dangerous Donald
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ABC ran fake news about Trump which caused DOW to drop 350 points.

https://i.redd.it/xj6ggpqpje101.png

This is a great point that lost on many people. The market drop clearly shows that Trump and his policies are the driving force behind the current bull market highs. Anything that jeopardizes his leadership and Implementation of those policies directly and negatively impacts our markets and economy. This is now the Trump economic recovery and it will only get better if his tax cuts are signed into law.


I don't see it. The Dow is already up anticipating a drop in corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%. This is the mass of the DOW rise. Since stock prices are based on the free cash flows of a corporation if you increase the free cash flows you increase the value of the company.

I don't really see how this will translate to a whole lot more than a company making more money on the same sales. I don't see this improving the economy as a whole.

This tax bill, which I might say, is about the worst conceived taxation bill I have seen in my lifetime, does little to really improve the economy. The middle class tax cuts are provisional. They will be rolled back and I suspect will be tax increases after the deficits start rolling in to the tune of a trillion dollars over the coming 10 years.

Just to make sure people know where I fall on this issue, I believe that corporations should have their tax rate taken to 0% and to have the offset in revenue taken up by increases to the marginal tax rates of the high income earners. I would gladly support a return to Kennedy era or even before tax rates on individuals. This would allow corporations to make money and pass that money to the stock holders. Stock holders like the masses that have 401ks would receive these dividends tax free while the wealthy that use the dividends as income would be taxed at a marginal rate commensurate with their income.

This tax bill is just horrible and will go down as another tax increase like the one Reagan imposed in 1986. However the average Republican sheep will believe that taxes are cut just like they now believe that Reagan cut taxes.

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Re: Head coach vacancies
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Herm Edwards takes the Arizona State job


Damn that's a terrible hire.


I am working out in Kentucky now. I was at the bar last night at the hotel and the bar tender was elated with the hire. He said he hated him on the NFL shows and figured that would get him out of having to listen to him.


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Re: How do we win the B12?
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Here's a nice PA recruit, I am sure Penn State might let us even have:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/ ... robbing-convenience-store


We should have Pac Man mentor him. That is truly a deadly combination right there. Maybe have Branko Busick be his tutor.

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Re: WVU Football Thread for Things That Don't Need Their Own Thread
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By the way. I am hearing that Oklahoma going to the College Football Championship playoff will be worth and extra $3 million this year for WVU. They don't get more money for the final game.

This doesn't count the fact that it will free up a spot in the cotton bowl which will generate more money for the athletic department.

I would really love to see us upgrade the soccer stadium. The women's soccer program deserves it.....

....oh...and we should build an opulent shrine to the rifle program in the design of the Taj Mahal for our rifle team with the money.

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Re: WVU Football Thread for Things That Don't Need Their Own Thread
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People bring up our playing of ranked teams. I think there is also the point of WHERE in the rankings they are.

You mention that in 2007 we played 5 and we went 4-1. You realize that Oklahoma was the only top 10 team we played.

#18 was the HIGHEST after that.

This year MOST of our games were played against top #15 teams not bottom 5 teams.

We are playing with the "Big Boys" and holding our own against everyone but Oklahoma. I truly believe that we will eventually turn THAT around.

The sky isn't falling.

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Re: WVU vs. Mizzou
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Very impressive!

Unfortunately, I am at work right now and I could only watch the ESPN Gamecast version with the little balls going into the basket or not as the case may be but we came back from 16 down?

Very nice!

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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We were completely outclassed in only one game this year, yesterday, by a national championship contender with an already-annointed Heisman winning quarterback, in their house. We still gave away 21 points. We were in every single other one to the end. Better execution and better luck go a long ways. Every b12 team was beaten by another b12 team this year. Our O-line allowed fewer TFLs than any other b12 team this year. We're returning pretty much everybody. Perspective.

I have watched WVU football since the 1970s and there has never been a better time to be a Mountaineer. Even my alum dad, who had classes with Sam Huff and watched Jerry West play for a national championship in 1959 when he was in grad school, thinks so too. We punch far above our weight.

Agreed.

However I would point out that Oklahoma wasn't a National Championship contender last year and they ran all over us. Going back to the question posed in the thread, I think we have figured out a way to beat every team in the conference except Oklahoma and moving forward that will have to be the focus for Holgorsen and his staff - whether that means recruiting better for the defensive line or whatever.


I would like to disagree with you here. While I agree that Oklahoma was not IN the championship playoff, the only reason they weren't there is because the committee had to get Ohio State in someway.

The Oklahoma team that lost to Ohio State in week two last year was nothing like the Oklahoma that the Big 12 saw in the latter half of last season. In fact, I think last year's OU team and this year's OU team is pretty comparable.

More broadly, I think people on here should just relax and watch the games and enjoy the games without worrying about what our future is. There are ebbs and flows in every program. OU will go down. Texas will come up. They have been down....and we will do the same. Just enjoy the ride and be proud to be Mountaineers.

I love the Big 12! I love big time college football. I enjoyed watching MY team play Oklahoma much more than I enjoyed watching MY team play Delaware State.

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Re: Official unofficial Oklahoma game day and 'Jack Says' thread
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Please no more white WV on blue helmets.

Positives first...may have found something in the wildcat with McKoy. Was a very effective wrinkle I’d like to see us use regularly

The defense was terrible. It has to be a matchup thing. Idk how to fix it but we competed better with Alabama and their likes then we have OU


If by matchup thing you mean that everyone on their offense is better than everyone on our defense, then, yes, it was a matchup thing.

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