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Re: New stats needed to improve the game!
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Your logic confuses me.

The Coach was right. Your partner was wrong.

The game was OVER. YOU inserted yourself into the outcome of the game.

I guess you showed him. How dare he be right.


I think the take away there is: partner was wrong, they both were right and the REF always wins.

Brob, I wish i would have been there to see it. Hilarious ending that I would have loved to watch the coach lose his mind over.


If I was his AD I would have fired him. I let the guy have his say but when you get to a point the discussion is over. The amount of time that went by wasn't seconds. This guy had us there for minutes! The guy took two steps and threw it in! It isn't like we let them throw it the length of the court. I don't really have a say over that nor do I care to but that is just complete stupidity. You should have seen the fans. The fans went from jumping around like they had won a championship to just glaring at their coach.

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Re: New stats needed to improve the game!
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Your logic confuses me.

The Coach was right. Your partner was wrong.

The game was OVER. YOU inserted yourself into the outcome of the game.

I guess you showed him. How dare he be right.


I didn't insert myself anywhere. I was trying to get the **** out of there. There are all sorts of rules in the game. One of them is you HAVE to show some respect to the officials. or at least not verbally and physically assault them. When they are trying to leave let them go.

Once again....the game ain't over till I leave the court. If you decide to physically keep me from leaving the court.....well.....its going to be a long game isn't it?

Yay! The coach was right. I told the dumbass he was right. WTF did he want?! He wouldn't let me leave!

At the same time, I realize that no one wants to hear this but the rules also understand that mistakes get made. That is why we have correctable ERRORS and non-correctable ERRRORS.

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Re: New stats needed to improve the game!
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I reffed one ball game for my high school kid. At the end of the first half, I said "it's a lot easier to ref from the stands."

A friend of mine has been reffing boys high school ball for years. His best story was he called a tech on a coach at the end of a game for accumulated bull ship.


Officiated a game over Christmas in a tournament. Comes down to team A is up 1 and team B has the ball out under Team A's basket. It was because of a pushing foul on the rebound (You guys would probably refer to it as "over the back" but there is actually no such foul as "over the back"). Team B calls time out. I grant the time out and go to my one partner who is a newer official and tell him "White time out. White has the ball on a spot throw in there. {pointing to him}" I go to report the time out and start the TO clock.

As they break the huddle I don't hear what my partner says as I am at the other end of the floor watching those guys. There is 3 seconds on the clock. Apparently, I find out from my other partner that my newer official has told the player he can run the line. Big mistake. The player runs the line. Team A coach goes ape-****. I am understanding of that but you can't now call the thrower for a violation after you told the guy he can run.....so it becomes what we call in the rules as a non-correctable error. They get the ball in and promptly time runs out. The game is over but Team A coach can't let it go. He starts screaming at the three of us and blocks my ability to get off the floor. I explain that this is a non-correctable error and that you can't call a violation when my partner has told him he can run. Still doesn't stop.

Now is is screaming at me with his assistant and won't let us get off the floor. So, I have had enough.

Me: "I am about to teach you a valuable lesson about coaching." {Blow the whistle and signal the Technical Foul}
Team A Coach: "You can't do that!"
Me: "My jurisdiction in this game ends when I leave the visual confines of the floor and all game reports are filed. You and your buddy as much as I have tried to get out of here have blocked our exit. I have not left the visual confines of the floor."
Me to Coach of Team B who is flabbergasted: "Coach, who is your shooter?"

Team B sinks two technical foul shots and they win the game by 1. Sometimes it is best to just take a win and go with it. Team A coach is pissed. He then has fingers in face and tells me I will never officiate another one of his games. He takes the game film to my assigner and district rules interpreter. They review the film with him (I had called my assigner right after this happened. Always do this when officiating. Your assigner hates to get blind-sided by a coach or AD). After it was all over he asked him why the coaches wouldn't let the officials leave the court.

After the answer my Assigner told him:

"My official literally ran to the edge of the floor to get out of there. When you blocked his exit he tried to go a different route and you blocked that too. You won the game! You are a special kind of dumbass."

I have officiated almost 2,000 high school basketball games. The crap you see in that amount of time is astounding.

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Re: BAYLOR on Taco Tuesday
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serious question - how is it that when we drive the lane it looks like our guys are running into a forest but, when our competitors do the same thing it looks like we don't have the same amount of guys on the floor?


Take a look at how we play defense. While we may well be playing a 1-3-1 defense or a 2-3 zone the fact is we often trap the ball handler out past the 28 foot mark. When passes are made from that its hard to out match 4 guys with 3 guys. They will always have the numerical advantage. Match that with the fact that our zone defense plays farther out than most zones and you can see that the opponent doesn't have to overload the zone they can almost attack it like we are playing man-to-man by spreading it.

Now saying that, the fact is also that you don't get 13 blocked shots by not having a tree in front of the basket so I think perception is also off here.

When we have the ball, we don't really have a lights-out 3 point shooter. We don't have that guy who if he has an open look is going to make a three most of the time.

When we attack the basket like we do in the first half there are numerous times that we have good unimpeded drives but when you sit back and run time the defense can pack in and make you shoot out front. The shot clock becomes our enemy.

When you drive the lane with less than 5 seconds to go on the SC you had better get VERY significant contact or, as an official, you are going to look like you are bailing out the offensive player who didn't have a chance. Add to that the way Javon drives to the basket like his head is on-fire and that adds to problem.

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Re: BAYLOR on Taco Tuesday
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Anyone that believes this team is an elite team is deluded.

At best they have one win coming in the NCAA tournament. I could also see them sliding to the point where they are an 8/9 matchup.

Until they learn to play a full game attacking the basket they are forever going to be a "choke" team. I don't think I have ever seen a team of talented players as snake-bit as these guys are in the second half.

Whatever they did to get up 28 (I missed the first half) they should do to stay up. Maybe Huggins should call Spavital to have him teach the guys to have the pedal on the floor all of the time. Our second half process is akin to what you guys want Spavital to do. Milk the clock. Unfortunately football isn't like basketball and you can't milk clock. Basketball is all about working to get the matchup you want and to exploit it. You have to exploit it with 28 seconds on the clock if it is there. You can't wait for 5 seconds. Mismatches don't appear out of the blue they are a result of work.

Had this team last night been anyone better than Baylor we lose again.


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Re: New stats needed to improve the game!
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While I agree the discrepancy was suspicious, has anybody actually went back and watch the second half for fouls after all of our emotions finally, hopefully, calmed down?

I honestly can't muster the effort to even look at so I hope someone is more brave than I and would let us know.

I have a strange feeling that while the number is appauling, the story isn't.


I haven't really said anything on here because of everyone's ire over this game but the game to me didn't look all that poorly officiated. I don't really like John Higgins but my reasons have little to do with his calls as much as the fact that he calls out of his area and calls things like travels poorly. At the same time, I can't really recall a time when that has hurt us.

The final call that Huggins wanted that Higgins called a good block I have to admit I thought it was a good block to but realize that the person who had the best look at verticality was Higgins. Huggins had the worst view and TV viewers had only a slightly better view.

With that said I remember a number of time Bolden just grabbed the Kansas guy around the waist and held him on full court pressure. I specifically remember Bilas making a comment about Higgins warning Bolden.

I do have some sympathy for the officials. There are nights when fouls do get out of whack. This happens frequently on teams that full court press. Then you add the full court press with that dumbass stand around and don't attack the basket and I can imagine being an official in that game. I would have just asked Huggins, "Are you trying to screw me?" Cause that is the way you do that!

I had a game in December that had two teams playing and I remember one of the coaches quoting to me the number of foul shots EVERY time up and down the floor. Finally he asked me what he had to do to be able to shoot a foul shot. I told him "I don't see any way of making them foul you but you could probably reduce the discrepency by stopping fouling yourself."

I don't really know about foul shots but every official knows when there is a big discrepancy in fouls. The question you have to ask yourself, "Are you willing to call a BS foul on the other team to 'even it out'?". I don't. I suspect that two of those three guys are not willing to do it either. Don't get me wrong. I officiate with guys that will spend their time trying figure out how to make it even. They make me sick.

There is a real issue about home field bias in sports officiating. The powers that be do not believe it exists. As a result nothing will be done about it at a higher level. Even with this slight bias, it generally doesn't decide a game. This game was decided when we executed that horrendous second half offensive strategy. It is what put the train on the rails of tossing Huggins.

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Re: New stats needed to improve the game!
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There is.

Every game is scored by the officiating evaluators that work for the league.

The data from that evaluation goes to deciding whether an officials contract will be renewed or not.

Look, even high school coaches have scouting reports on the officials that are going to work their games. I am sure that one of the 27 assistant coaches that roam the sidelined are tasked with knowing what each game will result as a result of the officiating assignment on that game. I would suspect that there is a discussion about what is going to be called on a particular night and what will not be.

I know of no sport in which officiating modifications in-game do not have to be made. To have thousands of officials look at something and to have them all agree on what constitutes a foul with absolute consistency is unrealistic. Think about the soapbox in this web site. There are only a handful of people in there and I assure you that there is no consistency of views on even the SIMPLEST of things.

I coach my sons soccer team in addition to officiating basketball, part of coaching and playing is to make modifications to your game to take advantage of what is being called or not called.

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Re: KU Chickenhawks Gameday Thread
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http://www.kctv5.com/story/37534314/b ... ree-throws-against-kansas

A visual review of the plays.

Some passing in the paint against a big man would have helped. Our players need to watch these clips and think about their position and how to make the play better.


Wow! You mean people who actually analyze basketball didn't think watching Javon Carter bounce and hold the ball for 20 seconds each possession with 9 minutes to go in the game, then drive somewhere, throw up a prayer and look at the officials wasn't the bees knees of basketball strategy? Who knew?!

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Re: Charleston Gazette files for bankruptcy
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I saw a tweet that Bob Nutting offered $11 million for the paper.

The tweet mentioned that this offer would make the Charleston Gazette the highest paid Pirate.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Anyone know of a good site to get up on all the rules for what class they count and how many of each you can have.


I suspect if you wade through this document it will tell you.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D118.pdf

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Re: OU Gamethread
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Well Huggs did take a shot at the refs. Watch the presser. First comment about why they don't have to come in and explain what they did. At the end, He questions why nobody ever fouled them and they took 10 more free throws than WV. I thought he might take a shot at them.

Enjoy;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfCetKSwZiY

He makes a good point, the refs should have a post game presser answering questions about what they called during the game.


They do. Often they have video to explain to the assigner before they even get home from the game. A couple of weeks ago I had a video on the phone from one of my assigners that said...."What's your take on this?". I was sweating bullets because I hadn't even gotten home yet. I watched the video and it wasn't even my game. I don't know if my assigner messed up or just wanted a fresh set of eyes on it.....I will just say....it was bad.

I have had to field questions about calls in my games. The thing is, these conversations are held in private but they still take place.

Once again, EVERY game officials in D-I majors are graded on their performance. Don't make the grade? You won't get any more assignments. When you realize that a game fee in a major is north of $4000 that is a pretty big fine for messing up.

I find it humorous that people on here think that officials don't answer to anyone. I assure you that they answer to their assigners. I also assure you that when the assigners get calls about officials it interrupts their day.....they don't like that. The more calls they get and the more film clips they need answers for the fewer games you get.

With that being said, if you call about EVERY officiating crew like you guys seem to want to you will end up losing credibility. If NO ONE officiates a game correctly then maybe your view of a correctly officiated game needs to be the thing that changes not ALL of the officials.

As an official there are plenty of times I would LOVE to take questions from idiots like Jay Bilas who wouldn't know a basketball rule if it crawled out of his rectum. It would be so enlightening to listen to people question officials who have no clue.....but if you make a comment to anyone from the media you will find yourself never doing a game again. While most of the coaches complain....the fact is that if they ask me a question they get an answer. They may not like the answer but they can get it. If they just want to yell at me then we don't communicate as much. But for a coach to say...."I don't know why this was called?" I call BS on most of that.


Of course a referee will NEVER EVER admit they are wrong...

Of course no one can understand the rules of basketball besides referees, how dare anyone question their calls or anything...

what a joke, referees are terrible people with HUGE egos to begin with


Where has anyone said that a ref never admits they are wrong? You can question whatever you want.

I don't think I have ever said that only referees know the rules but I assure you that I hear people constantly, on here, have no clue about the rules and opine at how bad the officiating is. What if some dumbass that never actually worked in your profession followed you around all day and complained how you didn't know what you were doing? Would you enjoy that? How valid would you think their opinions would be to how you do your job?

No. People who make stereotypes about ALL people are terrible people.

Sounds like you need to take the test and show us all how its done.


I literally could not be any worse than some of you "professionals"

#refshow


Don't sell yourself short. I have watched a lot of people with no training officiate little kids games. They suck A LOT.

That is one of the reasons that, in PA, travel level basketball requires certified officials.

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Re: OU Gamethread
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Example is when they have to make the block/charge call and run all the way from the baseline to center court to make the call.


Its called selling the call. It has its place. It is done at all levels. You may not notice it as much in some sports as others.

In general, you sell calls that are close or in some instances that you feel need to be emphasized.

You especially sell a call that is not clearly evident (ie. travel in a crowd of people, stepping on the line in a crowd of people. That kind of thing.)

As a person that has watched young officials get eaten up by NOT selling a call or having a strong whistle, you are looking at a selection for behavior more so than a trait of the official.

Once again, NBA officials are selected for different traits.

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Re: OU Gamethread
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NBA refs are completely neutered. NBA refs are mostly hired for their looks and not their ability to officiate a basketball game.

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Re: OU Gamethread
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Then why do the refs not know how to call the cylinder rule. NCAA refs think the are "THE SHOW" point blank period. Example is when they have to make the block/charge call and run all the way from the baseline to center court to make the call. NBA refs are invisible most of the time no so much in NCAA. Also you have 65 year old fat turds doing 4-5 games a week. They are out of position so much its sad. The res and most important the rules committee have ruined NCAA hoops.


Who said they didn't know how to call the cylinder rule? The cylinder rule is a fairly complicated rule. I have heard him express issues with the rule. At the same time, the rule is written down. You don't need to have someone explain it to you. Nor is an official required to explain a rule to you. I suspect that Huggins would have issue with the cylinder rule as it was put in to help rebalance the game between offense and defense. Clearly everyone on here understands that Huggins stresses defense above offense.

I would not argue that the rules committee has ruined the game. The rules committees in all sports are ruining all of the games. The older you get the more you will make this statement. They change sports just because they feel the need to change sports.

The shot clock alone has made basketball such that teams like Princeton that once had a chance of beating a Georgetown no longer do. The three point rule has turned the ability to have a lights out 3 point shooter can beat a team of more talented individuals if they are on on a given night.

Don't get me started on the fact that rules committees in baseball and football are changing the rules of the game instead of telling the TV coverage to back off the ads so that they can shorten games.

We are always in need of humble, officials. Show us how to do it.


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Re: OU Gamethread
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Well Huggs did take a shot at the refs. Watch the presser. First comment about why they don't have to come in and explain what they did. At the end, He questions why nobody ever fouled them and they took 10 more free throws than WV. I thought he might take a shot at them.

Enjoy;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfCetKSwZiY

He makes a good point, the refs should have a post game presser answering questions about what they called during the game.


They do. Often they have video to explain to the assigner before they even get home from the game. A couple of weeks ago I had a video on the phone from one of my assigners that said...."What's your take on this?". I was sweating bullets because I hadn't even gotten home yet. I watched the video and it wasn't even my game. I don't know if my assigner messed up or just wanted a fresh set of eyes on it.....I will just say....it was bad.

I have had to field questions about calls in my games. The thing is, these conversations are held in private but they still take place.

Once again, EVERY game officials in D-I majors are graded on their performance. Don't make the grade? You won't get any more assignments. When you realize that a game fee in a major is north of $4000 that is a pretty big fine for messing up.

I find it humorous that people on here think that officials don't answer to anyone. I assure you that they answer to their assigners. I also assure you that when the assigners get calls about officials it interrupts their day.....they don't like that. The more calls they get and the more film clips they need answers for the fewer games you get.

With that being said, if you call about EVERY officiating crew like you guys seem to want to you will end up losing credibility. If NO ONE officiates a game correctly then maybe your view of a correctly officiated game needs to be the thing that changes not ALL of the officials.

As an official there are plenty of times I would LOVE to take questions from idiots like Jay Bilas who wouldn't know a basketball rule if it crawled out of his rectum. It would be so enlightening to listen to people question officials who have no clue.....but if you make a comment to anyone from the media you will find yourself never doing a game again. While most of the coaches complain....the fact is that if they ask me a question they get an answer. They may not like the answer but they can get it. If they just want to yell at me then we don't communicate as much. But for a coach to say...."I don't know why this was called?" I call BS on most of that.


Of course a referee will NEVER EVER admit they are wrong...

Of course no one can understand the rules of basketball besides referees, how dare anyone question their calls or anything...

what a joke, referees are terrible people with HUGE egos to begin with


Where has anyone said that a ref never admits they are wrong? You can question whatever you want.

I don't think I have ever said that only referees know the rules but I assure you that I hear people constantly, on here, have no clue about the rules and opine at how bad the officiating is. What if some dumbass that never actually worked in your profession followed you around all day and complained how you didn't know what you were doing? Would you enjoy that? How valid would you think their opinions would be to how you do your job?

No. People who make stereotypes about ALL people are terrible people.

Sounds like you need to take the test and show us all how its done.

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Re: OU Gamethread
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Well Huggs did take a shot at the refs. Watch the presser. First comment about why they don't have to come in and explain what they did. At the end, He questions why nobody ever fouled them and they took 10 more free throws than WV. I thought he might take a shot at them.

Enjoy;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfCetKSwZiY

He makes a good point, the refs should have a post game presser answering questions about what they called during the game.


They do. Often they have video to explain to the assigner before they even get home from the game. A couple of weeks ago I had a video on the phone from one of my assigners that said...."What's your take on this?". I was sweating bullets because I hadn't even gotten home yet. I watched the video and it wasn't even my game. I don't know if my assigner messed up or just wanted a fresh set of eyes on it.....I will just say....it was bad.

I have had to field questions about calls in my games. The thing is, these conversations are held in private but they still take place.

Once again, EVERY game officials in D-I majors are graded on their performance. Don't make the grade? You won't get any more assignments. When you realize that a game fee in a major is north of $4000 that is a pretty big fine for messing up.

I find it humorous that people on here think that officials don't answer to anyone. I assure you that they answer to their assigners. I also assure you that when the assigners get calls about officials it interrupts their day.....they don't like that. The more calls they get and the more film clips they need answers for the fewer games you get.

With that being said, if you call about EVERY officiating crew like you guys seem to want to you will end up losing credibility. If NO ONE officiates a game correctly then maybe your view of a correctly officiated game needs to be the thing that changes not ALL of the officials.

As an official there are plenty of times I would LOVE to take questions from idiots like Jay Bilas who wouldn't know a basketball rule if it crawled out of his rectum. It would be so enlightening to listen to people question officials who have no clue.....but if you make a comment to anyone from the media you will find yourself never doing a game again. While most of the coaches complain....the fact is that if they ask me a question they get an answer. They may not like the answer but they can get it. If they just want to yell at me then we don't communicate as much. But for a coach to say...."I don't know why this was called?" I call BS on most of that.

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Re: Starting 5
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There are issues with these guys. It was apparent in the Kentucky game. I saw a number of times when Sags was pretty much yelling at Ahmad.

During Kentucky WAYYYYYYY too many uncontested layups where they were behind our defense. It seems that in the first couple of losses JC tried to do too much. I think Huggins talked to him and I saw him back off.

At the same time, I saw Miles try WAYYYYY too many threes with lots of time on the shot clock.

Miles is responsible for at least 6 points of the demise in each game himself.

At the same time, it seems when we get the lead we do that motion weave out front and we don't try to attack the basket like we do in the first half so Miles long range bombs (Poorly aimed) is all the offense we have. Why can't we just play like we did in the first half?

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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That leaves room for one more, and that might be Kwantel Raines' "mystery flip" on signing day.


What do you mean by "mystery flip"? I don't understand.

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Re: Rich Rod
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I still believe that RR was an overrated coach and was the proverbial blind squirrel that found a nut in Pat White and Steve Slaton.
I remember the Louisville game that started him on his path to "greatness." Steve Bednarik was the QB for three quarters of that game and we were getting our asses handed to us on our own field by a team that had only recently been playing in a BCS conference.
It was going into the fourth quarter or it was late in the third and we were down like 3 scores I think and NOTHING, I mean NOTHING was working. We were being manhandled on our turf. Bednarik got hurt and came out. Pat White finally got his shot, and he was amazing! After that, he never gave up his status as our starting QB. Even if he got hurt, there never was a question as to whether he would be our guy when he got better.
The problem I have with RR is that he was in the best position to evaluate his players. He would have seen PW and Bednarik on the practice field. He should have been able to best assess their talents. He should have seen what kind of dynamic player he had in PW, yet RR was going to ride the good ship Bednarik all the way to the bottom of the sea.
I am not saying that I am happy that Bednarik got hurt, I am saying that RR should have seen what PW possessed that he could utilize in his game plan. It should not have taken a player injury for RR to realize the gold that sat right under his nose on the bench just waiting for his shot. If RR is really the great offensive mind that he would like the world to believe, I submit that Pat White would have started that day instead of being relegated to waiting for Bednarik to suffer what amounted to a career ending injury.
And of course, RR ended up riding his two horses, White and Slaton all the way to a big money job in Ann Arbor.


I am not sure who Steve Bednarick is. I suspect he will go down in history as part of our All Glod Team but the guy who QB'ed 3/4 of the Louisville game was Adam Bednarick.

It is always good to second guess coaches. I don't have a problem with that but there are a myriad of reasons why a person would start over another person. Remember that Pat White was a freshman. Seven games into his college career. Bednarik had a complete year in our system. Bednarick was 5-1 as the starter.

It is easy to see when we look back what should have been but I don't think you could blame the coach for ever starting a Freshman over a seasoned QB. Why the Louisville game? Why not earlier?

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Re: Mounties vs Sooners
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sg44gold wrote:
A WVU win is a must to hold serve in the home-home schedule.

An OU win on the Road would be HUGE for OU.

THIS is why TEN team conferences are the BEST. TRUE Home-Home schedules.

The BIG XII needs to promote the crap out of having a TEN team conference and stand by it.

Super Conferences are way too watered down. I would argue they don't produce a TRUE champion.


But it really isn't is it? Because at the end after we have a conference champion due to home and home schedules we name a champion, eliminate two teams and have a playoff where we THEN name a team that proves it was the hottest over a 4 day period in March and we promote that team to the NCAA Tournament. They may be the same but may not be.

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