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Re: Dearly departed roll call
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This happened in 2012.


Sane obviously doesn't support the troops...impeach immediately.


Come on, man! You can't just impeach! What are you a Cro Magnon?! Yikes!

We need to hire a Special Investigator. We need to let this Special Investigator work. Now look, I know that Sane will discount and discredit whoever we hire and we need to dog Sane for the rest of his term as Moderator. Our investigator will meander from this treasonous statement through faked suicides like Stanley's untimely demise. Wait?! Who said Stanley's dead? Pretty sure it was a suicide but let's open up this investigation again.

That is how you do it......why if we try real hard the investigation of Sane coould be going strong and generating petty partisan content for this (and other) web sites for a long time, while enriching whoever we hire as the Special Investigator.

Hey! I found an uncashed check in the back of Sane's 1966 Volkwagon Beetle. Pretty sure it was from a failed business venture!

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Groundbreaking research from ShPitt
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https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/0 ... burgh-beer-goggles-study/

So here is your tax dollars at work.

It turns out that a person's alcohol intake correlates to how attractive another person is perceived to be.

I can't think of a better campus on which to test these hypotheses with such a large population of ugly men and women.

I suspect we should do a follow-up research to see if the same is true about weight perception. I suggest we do this research at Marshall.

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Re: Early Line and Prediction for WVU-Tennessee
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If we don't win this game by 3 touchdowns you can forget ANYONE saying we are going to be vying for a Big 12 championship. You can further kiss Grier's chance at a heisman goodbye and what a waste making that web site.

This is an experienced WVU offense and what appears to be a solid defense with multiple years in this scheme. We should beat this team easier than we should beat Youngstown State the next week.

Tennessee is a dumpster fire with all new coaches and I am sure all new schemes playing their first game. If we only win by 4 points.....we suck!

I think we handle this game easily.

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Re: NUMBER OF GAMES 2018 WVU FOOTBALL TEAM WINS?
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I had to change the title. Every time I looked at it, it was grinding my gears. I'm sorry. I couldn't help myself. I couldn't face a whole summer of it.


You put up a brave fight while it lasted. We all can only have respect for that.

...and now the fingernails on the chalkboard of my mind have subsided. Thank you.

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Re: Right to try...thank you president Trump.
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Right to try.

For me this is common sense. If you are about to die and want to live then do what you need to do. This is NOT bending over for big pharmaceutical & big business in general. Kudos to t he President.



Not just trying to argue for arguments sake but Trump really didn't do anything here.

He made it so the FDA wouldn't hold back a person from getting an experimental drug when all other options are gone. The fact is that in recent years the FDA has approved 5,816 cases out of 5,849 or 99.4% of the cases the FDA has seen. In instances where end-of-life attempts are rejected is by the drug companies that for one reason or another don't want to give the drugs to people.

What I am saying is that he is solving a problem that doesn't really exist....or will not change the number of people who are refused treatment. Drug companies can still say no to prospective people.

I am not against it, I just see it as an opportunity for him to grandstand......and I can't stand the thought of giving him more reasons.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/right-to- ... atients-today-2018-05-30/

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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2. He has several years left in his contract. Not sure we’re a school who will pay out several years of a contract and still have millions left over to sign a big name.


Last year our SPORTS revenue was $105 million. You read that right $105 MILLION!!!!

We have enough money to do both of those things. Because......this year.....we'll have another $105 MILLION coming in!

You ain't in the Big East anymore and have to live off the Big Boys table scraps. We are ONE of the Big Boys now. Now let's act like it!

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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I'll kind of bite on this debate brobison, I definitely get what you're saying and yes it would be great to have serviceable back ups, and being the program we are, it's embarrassing that we didn't really have another option last year, it's not like we're some FCS team, we're in a Power 5 conference. I completely agree there, but for some of the arguments:

1. As for not seeing Grier as a Heisman contender because a couple quarter's were off, how much of that stems from Grier itself, and how much stems from Spavital's play-calling?? In the Kansas game, after half time the first drive went 6 plays 23 yards, on the first downs we threw on first, then ran with McKoy, and Grier completed another pass for the first down on 3rd, the next set of downs we ran McKoy twice and then Grier and Sills couldn't hook up, Kansas gets it, comes down and scores, we 3 plays for 13 yards with an interception, then next possession run it with Crawford a few times, etc. I think you see where I'm going, the play-calling was pretty questionable at times, and though it seems balanced, it didn't seem like we were balanced, and other times other teams were eating out the clock running like mad men on our defense.

I think Grier has all the intangibles to win the Heisman, he makes the throws like Geno did in his time, he has a good pocket presence, and knows how to feel pressure, it's not like he has weird mechanics or anything. In his FIRST full year under center he threw for 3,490 yards, with 34 TDs and 12 INTs completing 64.5% of his passes.

For reference, let's choose Trickett who was pretty servicable and also a transfer that had 2 years in the system: Trickett played 8 games and had 1,605 yards passing, 7 TDs and 7 INTs at 52.8%, BUT in his second year, Trickett in 11 threw for 3,285 with 18TDs and 10 INTs at 67.1%; the improvement was massive; hell even Skylar Howard improved 7% in completion, 200 yards, and had 4 less INTs. It's proven QB's grow in their second year under Dana, and so it'd be silly to think Grier regresses. I think he had to knock off some rust of being almost 2 years without playing a meaningful football game against VT, and he really wasn't THAT bad against them.

2. I think not having a Spring Game hurts in the "serviceable QB" department for us. I would have loved to see what Allison, Lowe, etc. could have done, and I think it might have helped ease some doubts. Even though it's unacceptable to not have a back-up QB, we've had some of the worst luck in the injuries/transfer departments.

Look at Cody Saunders (4* out of high school), he had a very solid spring game, pretty sure he had a couple TD passes, no INTs and there was some optimism around this program until a injury cut his career short. Crest never developed, Ford Childress transferred out, we didn't have any QB stability. I don't necessarily think it's for a lack of recruiting, just some **** luck. Our defense has also gone through those swings of **** luck.

3. I'm a Holgy supporter for now, I truly do like what he's done for the program, and think he has grown into his own as a coach, he's done a serviceable job moving into the Big 12 where it's a shootout every game. The Big 12 might not be the BEST football conference, but I think it's one of the hardest to run the gauntlet just because everyone is so high octane that it's almost impossible to go undefeated, you can never really be comfortable with a lead.

For Holgy and our program this year, I'm looking forward to seeing: growth in our program, can we compete for the Big 12 championship, this is our best opportunity in years, there was a mass exodus of quality quarterbacks at almost every team, we need to show that at least once in a few years we have the chance to be special. 05-07 was lightning in a bottle, and it sucks we never got our National Championship from it, but we need to be realistic. Being able to win 8-10 games in the Big 12, with the resources we have in Morgantown, West Virginia is impressive. If we can keep up and compete for a championship we're doing fine.

Another thing I want to see is play-calling, I hope Dana and Spavital had a long heart to heart and tweaked some of the system for this year. I think we didn't have the most amazing line to run behind, but hopefully with the outlook that we're supposed to improve there, we can be a bit more balanced, and kill some clock a few more times rather than the huge plays that leaves our defense tired, I'm hoping Spav shows a lot of growth this coming year too.

And speaking of defense, we look good on paper, just not that much depth, it's been addressed with some great transfer pick ups from Papa Dana's Transfer Hut, but we have to see how they mesh, and pray the injury devil that's ruined our lives the past few years stays away. Our linebackers and corner backs are our biggest question, but I think our defensive line has improved greatly with all the bodies, we're deep there now. If we can keep them rotating, and can cause pressure on new opposing QBs, it can truly help us out a lot, I'm looking for Gibby to draw up some pressure from different angles, and really help out on that aspect. Sure, the Big 12 has seen the 3-3-5 now time in and time again, and it's easier to prepare for, but the beauty of college football is that there's new guys out there every year, and even if you have the perfect scheme for it, you don't really learn against it until you experience it first hand.

We've all been hurt by West Virginia football, the expectations come crashing down when we finally drink the Kool Aid numerous times, and it leads to doubting, which I blame nobody for. However, I'm still here, I still wear my shirt on gameday, and I still have faith in this program. I genuinely do believe this is the year we make some noise, and I hope that we take advantage of our opportunity unlike that one game in 07 that still makes me queasy to this day. I know that football season is 100 days away, and I'll be there waiting to take on Tennessee, wearing the Old Gold and Blue, blasting Country Roads as loud as possible. Because as a fan, that's all we can do, appreciate what we have, be excited for the future, and hope it's the year the stars align, it's the beauty in the struggle.


Just to let you know, I don't disagree with your statement about Grier. I think it may be that Grier will end being one of the greatest QBs in WVU history. As for the Heisman trophy that isn't enough or worse yet doesn't even matter.

All I need to say is Tim Tebow won the Heisman. It isn't about the greatness of the player it is about picking a player off a team that wins.

To give you some perspective, Ben Roethlisberger got 47 points out of about 4,000 in the voting for the Heisman in 2003. I have only ever seen one guy in college better than he was and that was Dan Marino, which brings me to Dan Marino, even he didn't win a Heisman.

Grier is not flashy. Grier is not going to tuck it and run for 50 yards making guys miss him in highlight reel fashion. As a result, he doesn't have a chance to win unless WVU wins the NC. Even then if he struggles AT ALL against one of the worst programs in FBS (Kansas) that is a death punch. It doesn't matter why he struggled.

If we are saying that we think WVU will lose 3 games or even 2 games if we don't make the play-offs Grier has no chance of being the Heisman candidate. Remember, he a QB. The Heisman doesn't have to be given to a QB. There are any number of players that will put up flashy numbers.

It doesn't matter if Spavital is the problem or not. Spav can cost him a Heisman as well as anyone.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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OK if he gets fired, who are you going to get that would be better?


I would probably look for someone that didn't build his whole team around one player and would actually have 3 QBs ready to play.

Maybe someone that when they played an FCS team would try and see what his backup QB could do. Not put him in with 45 seconds left to hand off and kneel down.

Just one of many of my requirements.

I assure you there is someone out there better than Holgy. Probably a number out there that isn't as good but if you think that Holgy is:

A. The pinnacle of coaching talent, or
B. We can't hire anyone else better

that is the kind of thinking that will never build a winner.


I really don't think Holgorsen has built his entire team around 1 player. I just don't understand this logic some of our fans seem to apply when criticizing the coaching staff and the lack of QB talent. It is as if people think WVU is some Mecca for QB talent and that 2-3 blue chip prospects are lining up to come play here every recruiting cycle, thus affording this team the luxury of having 3 highly capable back-ups waiting for the guy ahead of them to go down.

As it stands right now we have a potential Heisman candidate QB as the clear cut starter, a former 4-star QB backing him up and another 4-star incoming Freshman. For the first time since Jarret Brown and Geno Smith were on the roster together has WVU had this much QB depth.

I also find it interesting that you used Clemson as your example of QB stability. They have a QB that has already left the program and are likely going to be a 2-QB system heading into the season, and we all know how well 2 QB rotations work. Also, rumors are already out there that if Kelly Bryant does not win the job he may also transfer out, leaving them with 1 QB.


I really try to be optimistic but you take optimism to the next level.

While you might believe he didn't build the team around one player.....see you can recruit 25 receivers that are 4 star players but when you only have ONE guy that can get them the ball you effectively make your offense a one player system. It's like building a chain you can build a whole chain from 1 inch thick links but if you insert one 1/2 inch link you have a half inch chain and you wasted your time with the others.

Interestingly enough....none of your musings have happened. I have stated things which have happened in the past or are happening right now. Your reply is well.....next year.....

I think most of us are sick of next year. I see a guy that has excellent talent and I know he is being touted as a Heisman frontrunner but I don't really see it. There is nothing I have seen that says Heisman to me but that is just me. ANYONE's shot at a Heisman is remote I understand but I don't think I see the ability to be consistent enough to win the trophy.

As for the rest of the guys....they haven't done anything to this point in time.

Maybe we do have the deepest QB position in since Geno. All I am asking for is a quality backup that doesn't immediately have his own team mates calling up Vegas to bet against the team and maybe a third ACTUAL body to put back there. I don't think that is excessive given the guy has been here for 7 years!!!!! That is practically 2 FULL recruiting classes!

As for no-one wants to come here that is complete BS! We have had many great QBs over the years. QBs that have played NFL football. We have had some pretty good backups that never started for us but did a good job.......and I have never, until this past December ever heard a WVU coach say we didn't have a guy who could even be sent out on the field to take a snap.

You give a guy a chance to play and he will come here. You don't really need a 4 star back up. You can have a 2 or three star guy as your back-up. But he's not coming here if he never get's a chance to play. Who WOULD?!

Not asking for two QB system but when we're up by 42 points on Kansas....put the backup in the game. Put the backup in the game when you are down 56-10 to Oklahoma. Let's see what he has. Chugs never got into the game with much over 4 or 5 minutes left and then was only allowed to hand the ball off.

If you treat your QBs like that then...yes...they are going to leave. I don't blame them. I would rather go to FCS and play than for WVU to sit on the bench. We rotate MANY, MANY other positions there is no reason that QB can't be rotated occasionally.

Oklahoma sat Mayfield against us and their BACKUP scored in two plays. TWO PLAYS!!!! Not asking for that but our backup wasn't able to complete a pass to his dad in the back yard let alone during a game.

As for Clemson, maybe they will leave....maybe they won't. Maybe they will play two, maybe one will win the job. But one has to WIN the job you can't just name one if they really are that close. I don't know of any team that isn't for that kind of competition. if you have two great QBs you need to get two great QBs on the field. But regardless of that....Swinney has won a NC so I think he can be trusted to know whether they have a QB. Two QB systems that fail are two QB systems that have two crappy QBs that can't win the job.

I think it is hilarious that one would poo-poo Clemson when they have been in the playoffs for the last 3 years. When was the last time we were even discussed about being IN the playoffs.


I'm not overly optimistic, just realistic.

If Kids wanted to come to Morgantown WVU would be winning more games. WVU is not a top destination for top talent from Texas, California, Florida and the rest of the deep south, which is where the vast majority of top players come from. It is not as if Holgorsen and the rest of the coaches have been actively not recruiting top players, they just chose to go to Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, OU, et al.

Next year? I'm talking about this year, as that is what is about to happen. This team is about to roll out a former 5-star QB and two former 4-stars on the roster.

I don't give a flying-**** what you think about Will Grier or either of the other two QB's behind him, he was highly rated in high school, went 6-0 at Florida and led WVU to a 7-3 record with a terrible defense last year before getting hurt. The kid is a stud and pretty much everyone who has watched him play sees what I see, except for you obviously. I'm not saying he will win a Heisman or be drafted #1 overall, but a whole hell of a lot of people have him on their list to win a Heisman and be the best QB in the draft. You can sit around bitching and waiting for someone better to play for WVU, I'll enjoy the next 12-15 game he has left here.

What is this whole "you don't really need 4 star back up" bullshit you just wrote? Earlier you were complaining that WVU doesn't have three 5-star QB's like Clemson battling it out, now you seem to think 2-star QB's will cut it? You can't have it both ways just to support you argument. Also, thanks for supporting my position that multiple top level QB's wouldn't come to a program where they would not play. Teams all across the NCAA are having that problem, it is why so many QB's are transferring.

What Kansas game did you watch? Kansas was in the game until late, WVU was never up 42. Had Holgorsen pulled Grier for Chugs WVU likely looses that game. And what does it mater that Kylar Murray scored in two plays? All that proves is that WVU's defense blew a big fat one last year.

Are you really advocating a QB rotation? Wow, just wow.

I wasn't shitting on Clemson's achievements, you are the one who brought them up as an example of some pinnacle of QB success, but outside of Deshaun Watson they have been mediocre at best especially last year. All I did was point out that they are having issues themselves and even a national championship doesn't mean you have a secure QB situation.


Apparently, from this diatribe, you didn't bother to read anything I wrote. On almost ALL of the points you make I never stated any of those things. So I won't bother in responding any more to this.

1. I never said that Grier wasn't any good. I just stated that I don't see him as a Heisman candidate for a number of reasons. I was at the Virginia Tech game and watched a QB struggle through the first half.....mightily. I know from watching other games that he struggled at times against average teams in the Big 12 for a quarter or more. You can't win the Heisman that way. If you take a quarter off you will be out of the running.

2. I never stated I wanted multiple 5-star QBs. I simply picked a program that we clearly dominated when Holgy came in to show where they are now and contrasted that with a program that couldn't even field a body as a backup at the end of the season...all the time under this coach.

3. I CLEARLY stated that I just wanted a serviceable back-up and a third string QB. Not asking for multiple hall-of-famers on the same team. A body that doesn't require us to snap the ball to a running back!

4. We were up 35-13 at halftime. That is 22 at the half. Then our offense decided to take the third quarter off. See #1 above. I am pretty sure we could have put up a goose egg with Chugs as easily as we could have put up a goose egg with Grier......oh and that sound you heard after that goose egg against Kansas was the sportswriters erasing their vote for Grier and voting for someone else. Why do you seem to think that won't happen this year? It happened MORE than twice last year.

5. About the two QBs.....why do you seem to think that you can't have two QBs? We can run multiple receivers out there but apparently timing doesn't matter with them until you change the QB....then suddenly.....holy hell our timing is off....give me a break! There have been quite a few QB duos over time that have won games. As I say.....if you have 2 QBs that suck then, yes, it won't work. But you know what? If you pick one, it still won't work. Because they suck.

You give me Payton Manning, Dan Fouts, and John Elway and I will have three QBs share time. I'll run those bastards in on separate plays in the same series.....and I will win a hell of a lot of games. It all depends on who your multiple QBs are. If I had two 5-star QBs their asses would find their way on the field every game.....hell I might run them out there on the same play.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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OK if he gets fired, who are you going to get that would be better?


I would probably look for someone that didn't build his whole team around one player and would actually have 3 QBs ready to play.

Maybe someone that when they played an FCS team would try and see what his backup QB could do. Not put him in with 45 seconds left to hand off and kneel down.

Just one of many of my requirements.

I assure you there is someone out there better than Holgy. Probably a number out there that isn't as good but if you think that Holgy is:

A. The pinnacle of coaching talent, or
B. We can't hire anyone else better

that is the kind of thinking that will never build a winner.


I really don't think Holgorsen has built his entire team around 1 player. I just don't understand this logic some of our fans seem to apply when criticizing the coaching staff and the lack of QB talent. It is as if people think WVU is some Mecca for QB talent and that 2-3 blue chip prospects are lining up to come play here every recruiting cycle, thus affording this team the luxury of having 3 highly capable back-ups waiting for the guy ahead of them to go down.

As it stands right now we have a potential Heisman candidate QB as the clear cut starter, a former 4-star QB backing him up and another 4-star incoming Freshman. For the first time since Jarret Brown and Geno Smith were on the roster together has WVU had this much QB depth.

I also find it interesting that you used Clemson as your example of QB stability. They have a QB that has already left the program and are likely going to be a 2-QB system heading into the season, and we all know how well 2 QB rotations work. Also, rumors are already out there that if Kelly Bryant does not win the job he may also transfer out, leaving them with 1 QB.


I really try to be optimistic but you take optimism to the next level.

While you might believe he didn't build the team around one player.....see you can recruit 25 receivers that are 4 star players but when you only have ONE guy that can get them the ball you effectively make your offense a one player system. It's like building a chain you can build a whole chain from 1 inch thick links but if you insert one 1/2 inch link you have a half inch chain and you wasted your time with the others.

Interestingly enough....none of your musings have happened. I have stated things which have happened in the past or are happening right now. Your reply is well.....next year.....

I think most of us are sick of next year. I see a guy that has excellent talent and I know he is being touted as a Heisman frontrunner but I don't really see it. There is nothing I have seen that says Heisman to me but that is just me. ANYONE's shot at a Heisman is remote I understand but I don't think I see the ability to be consistent enough to win the trophy.

As for the rest of the guys....they haven't done anything to this point in time.

Maybe we do have the deepest QB position in since Geno. All I am asking for is a quality backup that doesn't immediately have his own team mates calling up Vegas to bet against the team and maybe a third ACTUAL body to put back there. I don't think that is excessive given the guy has been here for 7 years!!!!! That is practically 2 FULL recruiting classes!

As for no-one wants to come here that is complete BS! We have had many great QBs over the years. QBs that have played NFL football. We have had some pretty good backups that never started for us but did a good job.......and I have never, until this past December ever heard a WVU coach say we didn't have a guy who could even be sent out on the field to take a snap.

You give a guy a chance to play and he will come here. You don't really need a 4 star back up. You can have a 2 or three star guy as your back-up. But he's not coming here if he never get's a chance to play. Who WOULD?!

Not asking for two QB system but when we're up by 42 points on Kansas....put the backup in the game. Put the backup in the game when you are down 56-10 to Oklahoma. Let's see what he has. Chugs never got into the game with much over 4 or 5 minutes left and then was only allowed to hand the ball off.

If you treat your QBs like that then...yes...they are going to leave. I don't blame them. I would rather go to FCS and play than for WVU to sit on the bench. We rotate MANY, MANY other positions there is no reason that QB can't be rotated occasionally.

Oklahoma sat Mayfield against us and their BACKUP scored in two plays. TWO PLAYS!!!! Not asking for that but our backup wasn't able to complete a pass to his dad in the back yard let alone during a game.

As for Clemson, maybe they will leave....maybe they won't. Maybe they will play two, maybe one will win the job. But one has to WIN the job you can't just name one if they really are that close. I don't know of any team that isn't for that kind of competition. if you have two great QBs you need to get two great QBs on the field. But regardless of that....Swinney has won a NC so I think he can be trusted to know whether they have a QB. Two QB systems that fail are two QB systems that have two crappy QBs that can't win the job.

I think it is hilarious that one would poo-poo Clemson when they have been in the playoffs for the last 3 years. When was the last time we were even discussed about being IN the playoffs.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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OK if he gets fired, who are you going to get that would be better?


I would probably look for someone that didn't build his whole team around one player and would actually have 3 QBs ready to play.

Maybe someone that when they played an FCS team would try and see what his backup QB could do. Not put him in with 45 seconds left to hand off and kneel down.

Just one of many of my requirements.

I assure you there is someone out there better than Holgy. Probably a number out there that isn't as good but if you think that Holgy is:

A. The pinnacle of coaching talent, or
B. We can't hire anyone else better

that is the kind of thinking that will never build a winner.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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How different this conversation would have been if we had a couple bounces our way against VT or Texas, or Grier didn't break his finger and we pulled out a win against Texas and our bowl game... Holgy would be building on back to back great years going into a chance at something special.

We still have a chance at something special, we have a very potent offense, and hopefully our defense will come along together well, just depends if those breaks go our way this time around this year, we're gonna be in those situations. Regardless, I think Holgy is fine for a couple more years, I agree that I don't think they'll switch coaches until the rights are up in 2022/2023 or whatever, and then we have a deep reflection and assess the situation.


Here is where I hope I sit on the fence as neither a Holgorsen lover or hater.

The problem I have with this program right now is that we have no back up at our most skilled position! YIKES!

We had a pretty good QB in Grier. He goes down and we have Chugs. Now I am not denigrating Chugs but he was WOEFULLY unprepared for taking the reins. But it gets worse from there!!!!! During the bowl game (or before, I can't remember) Holgy was asked about Chugs backup and he said....we have none. We go wildcat. So we don't even have a third body to put out on the field in arguably one of the most specialized and important positions on the field.

So what happens in the off-season? Chugs leaves....we all go....Yay. We have Grier and no real backup. Oh. This Israel is going to be the best thing since Betty White. Really? How many college snaps has he taken? Chugs was a good HS QB too.

....But wait....now Israel leaves. I am sure this Allison cat is the cat's meow, right? If you think this is the basis of a stable program you are nuts.

Here is what its like to have a real program.

http://www.thestate.com/sports/colleg ... ity/article209205519.html

This by the way from a team that we set a bowl record against. They actually have TWO QBs that will push each other to get better. Grier can sit on the sidelines and comb his hair as we can't even find a warm body to push him.

This is insane. It isn't like we just hired Holgy. Dudes about eligible for a state pension!

I remember when we complained that Holgy couldn't develop a top-tier QB now I would just be happy to have a guy with two-feet that could stand back there if the other two get hurt but that is too much to ask too.

Now if you are saying that the third string QB can't get time in practice or that he can't learn "the system", then maybe the system is too complicated. I would be for simplifying it since it hasn't really given us an undefeated season or even a season that could beat Oklahoma.

Not asking for him to be fired but I am not drinking any Holgy Kool-aid either.

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What was the deal about McConnel talking about WV, and the 3rd loser?


McConnel took offense to Blankenship referring to him as Cocaine Mitch because of his father-in-law's shipping company caught someone smuggling drugs. Can't really blame him. I dislike McConnel but Blankenship was out of line.

So he tweeted a "thanks for playing" message to Blankenship with a background of a drug related show on Netflix(?)

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Re: Dearly departed roll call
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For my friends that listen to NPR

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Fluoride Officially Classified As A Neurotoxin In World’s Top Medical Journals
http://awarenessact.com/fluoride-offi ... lds-top-medical-journals/


I wish we would quit adding fluoride to drinking water. The only benefit it gives our teeth is what comes in contact with the teeth topically. Why would we want to ingest such an adjuvant in every drink of tap water we drink?


Because I didn't have fluoride and my teeth had holes in them from before I had fluoride in the water. Since I have only had 1 cavity.

My kids have had no cavities.....EVER..

That is a really good reason.

The amount of fluoride in tap water poses no risk. If you are concerned about the fluoride you should be frightened by the lead. While it made headlines in Michigan it is all through our country at much higher levels than fluoride.

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Re: Yet another school massacre post-mortem analysis
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For point 1: it’s controversial that these kids had help organizing and shaping their message by like-minded adults? Why? I haven’t heard anyone contend that they did everything themselves. Were they expected to have a bake sale and raise the money themselves in order to be credible? George Clooney (liberal) and the owner of the Patriots (conservative) were very open about their contributions. What I’ve heard is plenty of “they’re just puppets” accusations from a whole lot of people that have never been shot at in school. I don’t understand the “they didn’t do this themselves” critique.

Point 2: yep, they are young and have outrageous demands. Yes, there are adults that feel the same. This is not the majority of us. However, most of America is willing to consider additional gun regulations.. Once upon a time the government would get together and compromise in order to try to fix things. Now one side is eternally bent over for the NRA.

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I don’t want to take anybody’s guns. But I’m not afraid to let a conversation happen and listen a bit to people that don’t necessarily think like me.


Apparently you didn't bother to read my comment. I clearly stated that there was no problem with it but there needs to be an open statement of WHO was behind it.

George Clooney and The Patriots owner were certainly involved this last weekend but I like how you rewrite history.

As for George Clooney he thinks so little of this country that he hasn't lived here for years. You want a reason NOT to have an opinion. If you aren't working for making the place better because you are in Italy don't criticize it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/march-for ... turned-grief-into-action/

The truth apparently is stranger than fiction.

The key takeaway here is this statement.

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Delaney Tarr: It wasn't even like an intentional -- we all grouped together. It was – we all had these different things that we were saying and different things we were doing that people were responding to. And that was just kind of a natural push to get us to come together and for us to become, like, a united force.


Now read this sentence closely. It wasn't even intentional, there was just some sort of natural push. If that doesn't scream puppetry I don't know what does. So people were just responding to what THEY were saying. No statement that ANYONE other than the students are behind it.

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What I’ve heard is plenty of “they’re just puppets” accusations from a whole lot of people that have never been shot at in school


What does this even mean? So I can't have an opinion if I didn't get shot at at school? Really? That is insane! So I guess YOU and I can't criticize Trump because we have never been President. WOW!

The NRA holds everyone hostage is a tired old statement. The NRA holds congresspeople hostage because NRA members vote and they hold this to be passionate about an issue.

If you told me that you were going to change a law and that would be it I would certainly listen but history has shown that this ISN'T the case.

Because gun control ISN'T the problem any change to this is not going to result in a solution. When it happens again you guys will sit here and say......"we need to talk. We just need to make some more laws. IF we strangle the 99.9% of the law abiding citizen's rights we can fix this." But you can't because I isn't going to. The FedEx bomber proves that. Its called incrementalism. It has been going on for all of my life although the things which needed fixing have changed. 30 years ago it was handguns. My god we have to get rid of these handguns in our inner city. So we created an arduous process to have a handgun and carry it in these cities and what has it gotten us. No much change in real violent crime.

If you don't listen to reason to realize that CNN making heroes out of losers is the problem, I can't help you.

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Two things I will say on here and, I hope, leave it at that.

1. Anyone who believe that the kids from Stoneman Douglas High School organized all of the stuff they did after the shooting and in some instances within 24 hours of the shooting.....is an idiot.

I have two kids. I work with kids every day. There is no way 15,16,17 and 18 year old's could put together something that quickly. Its almost like an outside organization had it all planned and was merely waiting for a PLACE to jump into action.

I have no real problem with that but for full disclosure people should know WHO is behind the scenes controlling the puppets.

2. I find it very hypocritical that there are those on this board that stated when we talked about murders (8,000 or so a year) that one couldn't focus on black people in the neighborhood even though the black population is over represented in violent crime because these crimes are so rare that it doesn't justify an apparent rights violation but because of something that happens <550 times per year we can get rid of 99.9% of the people's rights who are law abiding.

Now I have no problem with the former but come on! If you are going to be in favor of preserving 15% of the public's rights you certainly need to be protecting 99.9% of the public's rights.

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I agree with everyone’s view above on the Trump comment. Not sure he understood the consequences of what he was saying.

Also agree with “when did the govt ever take something away that they gave back?”. There are likely some examples...but none that I can think of.



Booze (prohibition)


Took a LOT of bloodshed before they did too.


Fortunately some people had automatic weapons or we never would have gotten the booze back.

Wait.....automatic weapons were illegal......people had those back then? Didn't they need background checks and licenses for them? I am betting some of those guys circumvented the checks. You think?

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Today's game probably shouldn't be a close game (ie....less than 10) but it probably will be.

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Drudge only provides links to conservative viewpoints and juices up the verbiage in those links to set the tone. I’d say it is appropriately positioned...as is CNN (not saying those two are the same).


I’m going to have to call BS on this one. Featured link on Drudge right now is titled, “Cohn Walks Stocks Tank”. It links to a CNBC article.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/06/gary-c ... visor-new-york-times.html

How is that slanted and linked conservative?


As a person that has read the Drudge Report for probably most of its existence.....It is conservatively slanted. At least 60% of the articles are conservative content.

But even more than that they can't wait for an article about Hillary Clinton so they can pull out one of the five pictures of her that have her eyes bugging out or a scowl on her face even if the actual article is about petting puppies.

I love Drudge don't get me wrong but it is a conservative site at heart.

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Interesting. Tried to resize but didn’t work. I have to zoom to see it.

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Overall, I would agree with that chart. I might move some people around a little but I think it is pretty fair. I think it would be nice to add a few more Conservative pages that I don't see on the list that I use sometimes. I am thinking about sites like RealClearPolitics. I think most of the articles on there are more mainstream with a conservative bent but they are indeed an opinion site.

I don't have a problem with people reading things like Breitbart as long as you understand that any given "fact" reported by them has a 50/50 chance of actually being true.

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