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Re: Charlottesville
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Are they chanting this because they want to kill police for being police? Or are they protesting the continual killing of black Americans with no repercussions by the police?

Your side wants to kill people for how they were born (the racists...not the cops in general), not for what they have done. Sorry you can't comprehend the difference,



Hmmmm.....do these police we HAVE to protest against and denigrate ONLY kill black people in error or as an excessive use of force?

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Re: Dangerous Donald
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Here is the problems currently facing the alt-right

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Re: Disney pulling movies from Netflix to start their own streaming services (and espn).
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This is the future.

I think this happening sooner rather than later is better for WVU. It will suck for us fans but I think you will see that you will purchase packages and pay to see each game. When this happens, I think, it will be another upheaval in College athletics. Maybe the final upheaval. In the future it won't matter what school has what media market. It will matter how many eyeballs (and their associated wallets) are actually watching the games. When that happens some schools will become more or less desirable. I think WVU will fair far better under this framework. WVU fans fill stadiums and watch on TV.

I hope, in the end, that it will result in much more coverage. I would LOVE to have a WVU channel that would allow me to purchase access to non-revenue generating sports like soccer and baseball and rifle and others. I think it would really help these other programs if that were the case.

EDIT: Also.....it is no longer Root Sports. It is now ATT&T Sportsnet as of July 14 I think (My Pirate watching friends on here can help with the date). It was the first Pirate game after the All Star break.

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Re: Class of 2019 QBs - Logan Holgrosen
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Genetics play a lot into the sports programs at the highest level.

In the same post you say Johnnie West wasn't that good?
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Yes. That is what I am saying. I don't see any contradiction there.

Are you saying that Jonnie was a good player? If so, why did he only average 8+ minutes his senior year?

As to genetics......you realize that just because Jerry West is your dad doesn't mean you are a clone of him. There is another set of genes in that set.....and it isn't a guarantee that Jerry West would pass on all of his good genes. That is how that works.

At the same time look at the percentage of offspring of a college athlete ends up ALSO being a college athlete. Then look at the percentage of high school nerds that produce college athletes. I think genetics bare that out.


Ok so your saying that Logan can't play D I because his Dad did not.

And than you say just because West was good doesn't me his son was good.

Here is a few:

I agree that' if a kid comes from a family of players he or she should be a decent player. But that isn't because of genetics it is what they are exposed to.

Larry Bird's brother was a bust in college.

MJ 's was the same in college.

Bill Walton's father and mother encouraged him to read never passed a ball with him in his life.

Was Bobby Hurley a great player because of his genes or how he grew up around BBall with his Dad.

Magic's Dad worked on a trash truck and General Motors, Mom stayed home.

Bird's Mom the same......his Dad worked construction.

I say a player is a product of his environment and what he is exposed to.

AND WHAT THEY DO WITH IT.

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I didn't say Logan COULDN'T do it. I said it was unlikely.

How many 5'9" players do you see in college athletics with the exception maybe of baseball? I say this because 5' 9" are the average height of a man in the US. Height is COMPLETELY out of the control of the individual. You can practice all you want and....as they say...."You can't coach tall."

If it was ONLY desire and work ethic we should see players heights match the height of the average individuals 5'9". There is no match whatsoever. We chided Skyler Howard for being too short at 6'1"!!!!!!

Looking at the 33 players from the WVU baseball team there are 2.....count them 2....players that are 5'9" and there are NONE below that. So EVEN the WVU baseball team does not remotely resemble the genetic makeup of the population at large.

The football team has 8 player 5'9" or less out of 123 players. SO if Daddy and Mommy doesn't make you taller than the average person you have a climb up a hill that you most likely won't overcome.

Here is an ESPN article about doing genetic screening to let people know whether to waste their time trying to play sports or not. Not that I condone it but if you REALLY want to know about the next level ie D1, World Class, Professional before screaming at the kid make sure he has the genetic tools to succeed.

http://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3776377

Here is another one:

http://www.allprodad.com/5-things-to- ... pass-on-to-your-children/

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Our genetics do have some influence over our talents and abilities. Genetic tendency for high hand-eye-coordination and heightened perception for rhythm and pitch have all been proven. But if the DNA to be a natural musician or athlete is there, and the action is never taught or harnessed, these genetic abilities are virtually useless.


How many 5'9" boys do you think Larry Bird will produce as offspring. You only need to look at college athletics to see that you can work all you want but the fact is that genetics determine athleticism. For God's sake Bill Walton was 6' 11" tall. Did his desire to play basketball make him taller?!

As I said before, when you look at any undertaking in which genetics is important there can be stellar genetic outcomes and there can be poor ones. In judging animals you can have blue ribbon animals from fairly average parents but not many. At the same time you can have runts from great genetic parents. It isn't a given.....yet.

I have officiated basketball long enough to be able to see an athlete within about 15 seconds of watching him move. Then look at the parents. The probability that one of those parents HAD the genetic makeup to be an athlete is very high. Not too long ago I officiated a 7th and 8th grade came at a local school. Between games I saw this guy in the stands that I thought I should know. Couldn't figure it out. After the second game I was talking to the visiting coach and he said that the person was Chris Hoke (Former Steeler DT). He said his kid played on the team. I said "He is #52." . Chris Hoke asked me how I knew since there were only numbers in the book. I said because out of 60 kids that played in the two games only 1 kid belongs on a basketball floor. He was the tallest and best coordinated.

Just because Magic Johnson's dad wasn't an athlete doesn't mean he didn't have the genetic makeup to be one. It could mean that he didn't have the desire or the access to be one.

At the same time, I agree that desire determines success but you HAVE to have the basic essentials like height or genetic development in order to be a world class or division 1 athlete. For every Doug Flutie I can show you a ton of people that have just as much desire and the same amount of work ethic that just won't make it.

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Re: Class of 2019 QBs - Logan Holgrosen
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Genetics play a lot into the sports programs at the highest level.

In the same post you say Johnnie West wasn't that good?
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Yes. That is what I am saying. I don't see any contradiction there.

Are you saying that Jonnie was a good player? If so, why did he only average 8+ minutes his senior year?

As to genetics......you realize that just because Jerry West is your dad doesn't mean you are a clone of him. There is another set of genes in that set.....and it isn't a guarantee that Jerry West would pass on all of his good genes. That is how that works.

At the same time look at the percentage of offspring of a college athlete ends up ALSO being a college athlete. Then look at the percentage of high school nerds that produce college athletes. I think genetics bare that out.

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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Checked the Vegas sites this morning.

Looks like VT is a 3 - 1/2 to a 4 - 1/2 point favorite depending on the betting site. This is the chance for WVU to make a splash.

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Re: Class of 2019 QBs - Logan Holgrosen
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Do you think class of 2019 QB's are going to be hesitant to visit, knowing that the coach's son is a real scholarship possibility? Assuming Dana is still around then


I understand that a person has an "in" but I don't know that Holgorsen's son wants to come to WVU or that he even has the ability to contribute.

Johnny West came to WVU more for his Dad than his ability to play at the major D1 Level. He wasn't bad but I doubt seriously that he would have been recruited to WVU on his own. Did Johnny West frighten anyone away from our program? No. Neither will Logan.

DH did NOT play at the D1 level. It is likely that Logan will probably not either. Genetics play a lot into the sports programs at the highest level. I think the sending him away from Morgantown to a football academy is a way to find out how good he is and to make him as good as genetics will allow him to get. Will that be good enough? Who knows?

I could see him coming to WVU on a scholarship. It would be quite remarkable if he actually was a great QB here or even an adequate one. I am sure when the time comes DH will not squander his coaching career even for his son.

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Re: Ahmad suspension???
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Well Mitch McGary of Michigan was facing a one year suspension for failing NCAA drug test, he decided to leave for NBA back in 2014. They have since shortened the suspension to 1/2 a season. I'm assuming Esa is appealing the 1/2 season suspension. If it was the school like WVU that administered the drug test like with Holton back in 2015 then the suspension would prob. be only 3 games.

Personally I feel its much too harsh for marijuana considering several states its legal. I could understand if it was performance enhancing steroids but weed would actually make you play worse. 3 game suspension sounds about right to me.


Its not legal in any state in the US. They can pass all of the laws they want at the state level. US laws supersede local law. At best you can say the law isn't enforced.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lesley- ... l-law-who-_b_4676579.html

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Re: Ahmad suspension???
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What's the story on Esa Ahmad? Seeing reports he may face a lengthy suspension.


Check the WVU basketball thread for things that don't need their own thread. It is in there. Yes. It appears he will have to sit half of the season. Macon was the other player that was going to be suspended and we surmised that is probably why he turned pro.

One could opine that this deserves its own thread. I can't really predict any more what will or will not be a thread.

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Re: 2017 Season Prediction Thread
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So.....We are talking about going into Ok State game 7-0.

So last bowl game we played an apparently good Miami team. I guess the fact that their record was crappy threw me off. They were 8-4 when we played them. I thought that the quality of the team was determined by results on the field. But.....ok....what did Virginia Tech do to this power house Miami team in the middle of last season. You know the time? The time after they have played their FIRST game but before the little nicks and bruises of a long season add up.

Yes. Virginia Tech THROTTLED them 37-16 in Blacksburg. We have A LOT of work to do. We have to replace a lot of people from a team that couldn't compete with Miami, a team that couldn't compete with Virginia Tech, and we have to do it the first game.

When I originally read the write up that had us struggling to get to November .500. I immediately dismissed it and then I looked closer. They could very easily lose to Virginia Tech. If they do, I think the writer is probably right we COULD flirt with .500. I have seen no evidence from the team that they are ready and while we have a new QB we also have to replace a lot of the Oline. The Oline is where success is made. We had Major Harris in 1989 and no Oline and our Heisman finalist was effectively null and void.

I hope that we squeak by Va Tech and we greet Oklahoma State at 7-0 but I woulds tell you that all it is going to do is give a lot of hot air and smoke being blown around a decent but not great team. I hope they prove me wrong.....but at the end of the day THEY have to PROVE me wrong.....on the field. I don't give two craps about how good people looked in the spring game or in fall camp....you have to do it on the field.


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Re: 2017 Season Prediction Thread
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Truth is the 1st game will dictate what kind of season we'll have. We're capable of going undefeated, but likely won't. Grier appears to be top notch and, as everyone is acknowledging, the backfield is superb. IMO, the defensive line is our biggest issue. The nose guard is critical and, at this point, unproven. I think we'll find out rather quickly how well we will fare in the B12. Tech always has a decent defense, so we'll see if our guys can move them out of the way for the backs and if they can protect the QB. Can't wait to find out!


Meh....not buying we are capable of going undefeated. It isn't like we came close on the games we lost. Furthermore, Miami a very middle of the road Power 5 team, beat us like a drum. Oklahoma beat us by 28 at home. No, you are going to have to prove to me that you can compete in ALL games before you win ALL the games. We are a top 30 program. We are probably someplace between 10 and 30. We are capable of making it to the Big 12 Championship game but I am going to have to be shown that can compete with Oklahoma. We have not really done that since the first couple of seasons.

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Re: 2017 Season Prediction Thread
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So I would have to think that puts us as the ONLY bowl eligible team not invited to a bowl?!

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Re: NCAA looking at transfer rules
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I don't like the idea of a graduate transfer's scholarship counting for 2 years.

Removing the ability of the current school to restrict where a player wants to go is definitely the right thing to do though. I think they should be able to transfer anywhere they want to go, EXCEPT any school that will be an opponent to the current school for the remainder of the player's eligibility.


OK. I will play Devil's advocate here. I agree that I don't like the two year rule, however, the idea of the graduate transfer is to go from a school to another school because the degree desired is not offered. I am not sure how you can keep a player from going to a school that has an apparently rare graduate degree. I actually think that the student should be able to transfer into a graduate program that might have an emphasis on an industry that the first university doesn't have. In this instance I don't know how you could put a limit on the schools a player can transfer to.

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Re: WVU Football Thread for Things That Don't Need Their Own Thread
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WVU No. 3 in Big 12 and No. 26 nationally in total revenue.

This is pretty amazing considering WVU comes in ahead of schools like Clemson, UCLA, North Carolina, Virginia Tech and Arizona. Now, some schools are not listed (sPitt probably didn't want to be embarrassed) and no private schools are listed. But WVU is easily in the top 30 nationally.

Remember this when realignment happens and people say WVU brings nothing to the table. I 100 percent believe the Mountaineers land on their feet no matter what happens. Money maker, history, competitive in all sports and a devote fan base will help - especially considering the television network idea is going to take a major hit with chord cutting. Television markets will not matter nearly as much).


Exactly! This is what I have been saying every time people have the "Woe is me" attitude about WVU. We are stronger and better than you think.

I am pretty sure you can say that about the university as a whole. I am not a big fan of school rankings as I think they measure everything BUT the quality of a school. I look atWVU academics and I am very happy with the strides the school has made. I just attended my daughter's Orientation day and it is truly remarkable what the University has become since I went there.

The future for WVU is bright and we have Oliver Luck to thank for that in the athletic side. On the academic side we probably have the decline of the coal industry to thank for that.

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Re: Conference Armageddon: The Official Conference Speculation Thread
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EDIT: I forgot South Carolina leaving the ACC to go to the SEC


South Carolina was never in the ACC, they were Major Independent when the were invited to the SEC.


They were in the ACC from its inception in 1953 till 1971.

your post says " I forgot South Carolina LEAVING THE ACC to go to the SEC "

FACT, They were a Major INDEPENDENT when invited to the SEC.


That is true. But somehow I had to show the ACC losing a member. I guess it was somewhat misleading that they went from the ACC to the SEC but they did with an independent hiatus for about 20 years. It would have been misleading not to show South Carolina leaving the ACC also.

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Re: Conference Armageddon: The Official Conference Speculation Thread
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Why would any other conference agree to such a deal just to help the Big 12 potentially get a spot in the playoff? That makes no sense at all to me.Quote:

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Instead of holding a conference championship game which will most likely be a rematch of a game played in the previous 3 or 4 weeks, lets have the Big 12 go to the NCAA and have us play a rotating schedule of the 4 other power 5 conferences in a game. We would play the conference champion of the other conferences the week after they would play. So it would work like this.

2018 ACC
2019 SEC
2020 Big 10
2021 PAC 12
2022 ACC
.....and so on.

This would allow the current system of 4 teams into the playoff and would eliminate the playoff committee as there would only be 4 power 5 conferences left. Everyone is "in" every year.

We would need the NCAA to allow the extra game. It would only be an extra game for the other power conference. We would be fine if we ditch the championship game.

Outside of the rotation we could aime to try and play the SEC every year but if I were the SEC I wouldn't want that. That is why the rotation would have to be done.

Simple solution to a thorny problem.


Well....as I stated the NCAA could sanction the game and require it to eliminate the controversy of a major conference being left out. There are two main reasons that would make this attractive to the other conferences. They are:

1. Realize that EVERY year someone is going to be left out. This allows that NOT to happen. So in those years that the Big 12 champion goes undefeated and whichever conference is going to be left out in the cold. This solution would allow ALL conference champions to make the playoff without going to 8 games. So the Big 12 has the most to lose because a number of the years that they should play another conference they would legitimately play in the playoff. Conferences would agree because sometime they would produce a champion that would exclude them from the playoff but they would make it on the virtue that there is a process that allows them in. Either THEY would play the Big 12 or they would make it in on the virtue that either the Big 12 or the other conference would have lost their play in game.

2. $$$$$$$ This game would provide AT LEAST $10 million per team in payout. I would be willing to bet some conferences would be willing to receive about 50% of their yearly payout to play in one more game. That $10 million would be a minimum.

I am not married to the rotating conference method. If you want the playoff committee to decide the play-in game that is good but the Big 12 SHOULD be one of the teams by virtue of not getting the extra date.

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Re: Roundup from the same company that brought you Agent Orange
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My wife and I are looking to get into honeybees next year. That is definitely something I'll will study up on.

I'm still going to string trim more instead of using glyphosate on my property. A choice I wish more people made. We only use the vinegar concoction around the flowerbeds to keep the grass clippings out.


I hope you are able to keep them. I got completely wiped out about 12 years ago. I had 15 hives on different property sites. It was a combination of colony collapse disease and resistant mites. Since then I have spent significantly more than $1000 to try to get a hive just to survive through the winter. I have had no luck. I will probably keep trying but They don't even last to my first mite check. My grandfather kept bees and my dad kept bees and even gave me his bees when he got too old.

I am all for NOT using chemicals. I try to keep stuff trimmed without spraying. I do use it on my garden. I finally have the ground to the point where I can use it sparingly. The first 5 years that I had a garden (in a spaded up pasture) I had to pour what seemed like 50 gallon cans of roundup. I think I finally have most of the really nasty stuff gone so I can just hoe and use a rotary tiller.

One place where I still heavily advocate the use of round-up is on Chinese Tree of Heaven (CToH). They are the most insidious invasive species I have seen. That includes multifloral rose. They resprout through the root system. My father-in-law used to say if you kill a CToH 50 friends show up for the funeral. It sure seems that way to me. The only way I know to kill them is I use a hatchet and hatchet into the bark, spray the round-up and wait for the tree to die. Painting the stumps doesn't always work because the application of round-up has to be quick or the tree seals over. The tree itself secretes its own herbicide that kills competing plants. It was brought over from China to plant along railways. The tree is really impressive. It grows in the crappiest soil around. I have even seen it grow on rocks.

I hate those trees!!!!!! I bet you can't guess what I am going to be doing over the 4th.

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Re: Conference Armageddon: The Official Conference Speculation Thread
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Instead of holding a conference championship game which will most likely be a rematch of a game played in the previous 3 or 4 weeks, lets have the Big 12 go to the NCAA and have us play a rotating schedule of the 4 other power 5 conferences in a game. We would play the conference champion of the other conferences the week after they would play. So it would work like this.

2018 ACC
2019 SEC
2020 Big 10
2021 PAC 12
2022 ACC
.....and so on.

This would allow the current system of 4 teams into the playoff and would eliminate the playoff committee as there would only be 4 power 5 conferences left. Everyone is "in" every year.

We would need the NCAA to allow the extra game. It would only be an extra game for the other power conference. We would be fine if we ditch the championship game.

Outside of the rotation we could aime to try and play the SEC every year but if I were the SEC I wouldn't want that. That is why the rotation would have to be done.

Simple solution to a thorny problem.

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Re: Roundup from the same company that brought you Agent Orange
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If people want to rage against 'the man', the best way to do that is to complain about the use of neonicotinoids. These are a class of bad pesticides which have been outright outlawed in Europe. They have been shown to be contributing to the decline of the honeybee.

The issue I have about them is their indiscriminate use. I have no problems using them on our food supply but to just use them all over is the reason I haven't been able to keep honeybees alive for the last 10 years. I have a number of golf courses around that use them a lot.

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Re: Conference Armageddon: The Official Conference Speculation Thread
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Funny how ESPN story fails to mention it was really ESPN that blocked the expansion. Everything was a go, talk of actually adding 4 teams since TV deal said ESPN, Fox has to pay same rate, no matter the team. Contract would run to 2024 and for the Big 12's Texas or OU, no harm no foul if expansion didn't work out they could just walk away from Big 12 in 2024 without any risk of losing money.

ESPN and Fox flat out said no to Big 12 and Bowlsby, and threatened when deal expired there would be hell to pay. Why Bowlsby never checked with networks prior to going through with the whole process is mind-boggling. Just a cluster f*** mess and embarassment making teams like Memphis, Houston, etc go through ringer. I used to think Trotter was pretty good, but I'd have to downgrade him a level for not writing the real reason why expansion didn't happen.



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