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Re: Bergdahl
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It took me about 30 seconds to find Islamic leaders from Egypt, the US, Britain, and the Arab League itself that condemned terrorist attacks. You point to 30 Imams in Jordan that have been censored. First, they were censored by an Islamic government so the fact that this was done is proving my point, not yours. Secondly, there are more than 5000 Imams in Jordan. So that means that less 0.6% of them were found to be advocating extremism or violence. The 99.4% were not.


First off, Jordan is NOT an Islamic government. While the King of Jordan does have to be a Muslim, there is a full freedom of religion in their Constitution. This is in contrast to other countries in the region which are RUN BY ISLAMIC LEADERS!


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Re: Bergdahl
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How could you possibly 'definitely know' this? You can't. The only thing you can do is rely on others telling you this. Some of them have strong motivation to deny it. But it's a silly argument. The CIA didn't meet the vast majority of the fighters we supported. The vast majority of our support, money and weapons and training, was funneled through the Pakastani ISI. We funded both Afghan nationals and Arab fighters that we encouraged to join in a jihad. You pointed to claims that Sadaam supported suicide bombers in Palestine by sending money. He never met them and yet you still see that as support. Wouldn't the same apply here?


Uhhh...No. Once again. I have an interview WITH THE PERSON INVOLVED who stated this fact. You simply decide you don't want to believe it. That doesn't make your "fact" equal to mine. Sorry, but if you believe that then you must by practice accept the stupidity that is the Conservative right because they "believe" what they believe so it must be a fact.

Our support was to Afghanis. The Iranians did indeed support Arab Freedom fighters. You do realize that we were NOT THE ONLY people supporting the Muhajideen, don't you? That is why I say that your statement that we solely "created" something is off base. Had we not been doing this the Saudis and the Iranians would have handled it.

Finally, it is not the same. We were suppling arms to people who were trying to overthrow a socialist government. We were arming people to fight a military that was set on wiping them out. One of those militaries that had these Afghanis in their sights was one of the the two most powerful armies in the world and our enemy.

Saddam WAS paying people (NOT A CLAIM, NOT A BELIEF, A FACT! Corroborated by MANY MANY WORLDWIDE news organizations) money to walk into A DIFFERENT country and blow up their citizens at cafes and on buses. If you don't see a difference here I am not sure I can help you.

EDIT: Also anyone that believes that our support of the above stated goal leads those we supported to believe that it is OK to blow up innocent people wherever they want is a stretch also.

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Re: Bergdahl
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George Tenet disputes Bergen. He has testified that the CIA was aware of Bin Laden during the Russian-Afghan war. This directly contradicts Bergen. In fairness Tenet denied any direct US government contact with Bin Laden but that's not a denial of support.

EDIT: Actually Tenet's denial was even weaker than what I said above. He stated "we have no record of any direct US Government contact with Bin Ladin at that time. "


Hmmmm.....So you attempt to prove Tenet disagrees with Bergen and then you relay the quote which says there was not direct contact which corroborates Bergen's statement. With all due respect George Tenet had NOTHING to do with the CIA at the time in question so I don't really know why his statement about what did or didn't happen in the 80's would be relevant.

I NEVER said that the CIA didn't know who Bin Laden was. Bergen NEVER said the CIA didn't know who Bin Laden was. Bergen and APPARENTLY TENET stated that the CIA did NOT support him monetarily. Furthermore the CIA has said that the only people it supported were Afghanis. Bergen DID say that the CIA underestimated how important Bin Laden was at the time.

Bin Laden had his own money and certainly didn't need any money that had strings attached and when the US gives aid there are LOTS of strings attached.

At the time, the US needed the support of the Afghanis and some Afghanis REALLY needed the support of the US. The US was not the ONLY group supporting the Mujahideen. The Iranians were helping too. Could Bin Laden have gotten financial support from Iran instead of the US?

To say we should not have been involved in Afghanistan in the 80's is to be totally removed from the geopolitical state of the time. There were 2 world powers and the Soviets certainly took every opportunity to stick it to us when they could by meddling in affairs in the western hemisphere and their overt help against us in the Korean war.

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Re: Bergdahl
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So which is it? You support the decision to invade Iraq and overthrow Sadaam while denying this destabilized the region. Now you are saying that the US is safer through its support of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war? Which is it? Either you want Sadaam in power or you don't. You can't argue both. Iraq started the war, not Iran. And we supported him in spite of his use of illegal chemical weapons.


Both. You do understand that concept don't you? The fact is that countries throughout history have molded coalitions and dissolved them to fit their wants and needs. It is in our best interest and safety to keep countries in the Middle East from invading other countries.

The fact is we needed someone that would be a thorn in Iran's side. Iraq did that. Iraq COULD have been a partner throughout history but THEY felt the need to invade Kuwait as a financial strategy. Its not like WE FORCED them into that situation. When you go from defending invasion to INVADING another country you destabilize the region by doing it. You understand that concept don't you? we DIDN'T really change our strategy towards the region SADDAM changed the nature of his reign.

I find it funny that you pick at my PERCIEVED dichotomy when in fact you attempt to complain that the US supports dictators causing problems and then when we take one out you say we destabilize the region by fighting against them. Which one is it? Should we support them or take them out? Does there presence present stability or their absence? Take a stand here because you are waffling more than Bill Clinton at a intern convention.

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Re: Winning B12 Regular Season Championship
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I kind of feel like you do brobison. Of course, I didn't see our run coming through the BE tourney all the way to the final 4 in 2010 either. If these guys keep playing at, or above, their potential, who knows what will happen ?


I really like our chances to go deep in the NCAA tourney. I think that games in which other teams have not seen us before we have a great advantage. Put that together with some luck in the 3 point shot department and there is really nothing keeping us from winning it all. Do I think we will? no. But at the same time it would not surprise me.

I agree with you about 2010. Wasn't it great to be pleasantly surprised by that? Who saw that coming?! This could be the same. I don't think we lose out. I think we handle OK ST.

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Re: Best ever in College
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The bigger question to me is how well would the players Of today fit in back in the day?


Its easy. They wouldn't. The first time the point guard went into a crowd of people and threw the ball away, he would be sitting on the bench. They played under control. Not that they never made a mistake but the game was played at a different risk level. If you were a fast break team you even fast broke with discipline. (Foul line extended, mid court, two on one both stay wide, three on two or one middle and two wide) If you didn't have numbers you broke off and ran half court.

Saying that, teams could be more conservative and deliberate because there was no shot clock.

I do get why players occasionally do some of the things they do, I just believe they play a little TOO reckless.

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Re: Winning B12 Regular Season Championship
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Beating Baylor and Kansas away is a tall order. Thoughts?


I don't think it happens. I am not sure this team THIS YEAR is a championship caliber team. Its OK. That doesn't diminish the season. Finish strong and see how big a run in the dance they can make and prepare for next year.

I don't mean to say it can't happen. I would put its likelihood at 35-40%. Seems like beating Kansas might be a bigger order than Baylor. I wasn't too impressed though with my few minutes of watching Kansas.

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Re: Bergdahl
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Launching a war to do so that was based on lies,


PRACTICALLY EVERY WAR the US has fought is based on lies. If you further state that things which you believe to be are wrong are indeed lies also you can probably include EVERY war EVER fought by ANYBODY.

There were PLENTY of people who believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction including:

1. The UN.
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However, Hans Blix said in late January 2003 that Iraq had "not genuinely accepted UN resolutions demanding that it disarm."[64] He claimed there were some materials which had not been accounted for.

2. The US.
No need to cite this you have already accused and convicted Rumsfeld of Perjury.

However, the Clinton administration ALSO believed they had or were trying to create WMDS as in 1998 they attacked Iraq.

3. UK.

The fact that he didn't have them doesn't make all of these people liars. It means they were wrong. There is a difference.

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Re: Bergdahl
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You have zero idea how much time I spend on such things so not sure how you could possibly state something like this as fact.


I can tell by the fact that you have no idea about any proof of ideas beyond your ideology. A learned, well read person is at least willing to admit that there is some other point of view and that NOT doing something COULD have been worse.

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Re: Bergdahl
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Some other things that are true. The US funded Sadaam through money and weapons so he could fight Iran. We supported him as he was using illegal chemical weapons. He was our boy! Did that destabilize the region?


No. It stabilized the region. Imagine if Iran had both Iraq and Iran. Do you think we as Americans would be safer? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you in Florida.

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Re: Bergdahl
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We funded Osama Bin Laden.


NO! We did not!

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Re: Bergdahl
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First, you didn't acknowledge any of the links I provided showing that Islamic leaders from around the world, including the middle east, have denounced terrorism. You should so we can put that complete myth to rest.

Secondly, why haven't the christians on here denounced Anders Behring Breivik? Are they complicit in his terrorism?


Why on earth would I acknowledge your links which show AMERICAN/WESTERN Islamic leaders denouncing terrorism. GOOD for them! They are not the ones spreading crap that has caused it. Can you show examples of Christian preachers telling their parishioners to wage holy war on innocent people? I can show you where a number of Imams HAVE STATED that.

Jordan censored 30.....Yes....30! Imams in Jordan alone. Why? I would presume that THEY KNOW WHAT IS BEING SAID by these guys. Come on! Think a little bit.I swear I think you have defended the people in the middle east so much I kind of wonder about your allegiance.

If I am an Imam in Iraq and I felt what was going on is wrong and I HELD THE PLACE in society that they do I would publicly state a denouncement.

I have only heard the pope and other leaders of the church talk about tolerance. If you have heard they said to kill jews and muslims get rid of them too. I am no fan of the Christian religion it has a plenty of blood on its hands too.

In spite of YOUR accusations that America caused radical Islam the fact is that radical Islam has been around longer than the Mujahadin.

You can, if you wish believe that the US made Bin Laden but the facts are that I can show as many third parties that state we didn't. Here is a good list of BOTH viewpoints with some good points on either side.

One thing that I definitely know is that AT NO TIME did the CIA actually meet with Bin Laden. That did not happen and there are plenty of corroboration of that point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA%E2%80%93al-Qaeda_controversy

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The story about bin Laden and the CIA — that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden — is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. The real story here is the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996, when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.


These are the exact words of Peter Bergen who actually interviewed Bin Laden. Can you show information that says we supported him from someone that ACTUALLY KNEW HIM?


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Re: Bergdahl
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Ugh. When the discussion gets to trying to get credit because you watch Al Jazeera when you travel, well, I lose interest in the discussion. It has clearly jumped the shark.


Just admit your attempt at making my payment statement as a Donald Rusmfeld lie is BS. Jump whatever shark you want. The fact is that I spend A LOT more time watching and understanding issues from all sides than you do. You have decided that we destabilized the area and that there was no reason at all to take out Saddam. I have shown from the organization that has been a spokesperson for Al Qaeda that he has made direct payments to terrorists. That payment system ENDED when we took out Saddam.

Now for the real thorn in your side. Saddam DID THIS EXPRESSLY TO DESTABILIZE the Middle East. In the first gulf war he couldn't wait to Scud missile attack Israel to try to draw them in to the war so that he could get support from the more moderate Muslim countries.

Destabilization was Saddam's GAME PLAN!

He was playing this game LONG before we were. Good riddance to him. Good riddance to his low life scum kids and the rest of his henchmen!

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Re: Best ever in College
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What year is this? We've got Balzac talking about 200 yo dead French writers, and 1642 is asking for lists that he includes Jerry West in. It's turning into an old folk's home around here.


I would say Chuck Conner and Jim Naismith. A lot of people just know Jim as the inventor of basketball but for guys like Mickey Furfari who saw him play that Jim could do a mean 3 man weave all by himself.

Do you even realize how hard it is to make a bank shot into a basket without a bankboard? and with a bottom in the basket? Talk about telling people to take the lids off! Whooooo Weeee! No one looked as good in his basketball knickers and could use the ladder to get the ball BACK out of the basket after he made the shot.

Do you think Jerry West could have done all of that climbing up and down from the ladder?

Chuck Conner was the rifleman AND a great bball player and was the one that brought the stifling defense from the basketball to the rifle range! He made shooting irrelevant in BOTH basketball and rifle!

What a trendsetter!

Feel better Radioshark?

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Re: 2014 Hottest Year on Record
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150225132103.htm

Came across this today at lunch while doing my daily reading of Science news. I figured it should go here.

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Re: Time to Take Back Texas 7pm Tonight
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How can you guys still say shooting doesn't matter when we are winning partially because we are shooting better than we have all year? I mean even adrians makin 3s every once in awhile again!


Who on here allows facts to get in the way of making a statement? Have you read some of the idiocy on this board....mine included of course. I have never allowed myself to be swayed by the facts. Weak minds do that.

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Re: Bergdahl
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http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/11/200849125341235441.html

Unlike you who quotes AMERICAN Muslims when talking about a Middle Eastern problem I go straight to the source of information. That's Al Jazeera right there which I admit that I watch quite frequently when I am traveling abroad.

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Highly popular in the Palestinian territories, Saddam gave money to the families of people killed by Israeli forces and relatives of bombers when the intifada, or uprising, broke out in September 2000, until he was toppled by the US-led invasion in 2003.


So, he started paying the bombers from 2000 until he was toppled. As far as I know the suicide bombing wave stopped after we toppled him. Not saying the violence stopped but this incessant daily blowing people up DID stop.

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Re: Bergdahl
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As for Sadaam providing money intended to pay suicide bombers, has that ever been confirmed? I know you linked an article below with claims from Rumsfeld that he did so but that guy told so many lies in the lead up to that war that he's not a credible source. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just wondering if someone reliable actually reported it. I honestly don't know. He gave a lot of money to Palestinians and some of that was given to the families suicide bombers. But was that a program put in place by Sadaam? Or did he just give money and whatever Palestinian organization it was given to was able to dole it out as they saw fit?


Did you even read the article? Just because CBS News got a comment from Rumsfeld doesn't mean the article is a lie. Look here.


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Mahmoud Safi, leader of a pro-Iraqi Palestinian group, the Arab Liberation Front, acknowledged that the support payments for relatives make it easier for some potential bombers to make up their minds. "Some people stop me on the street, saying if you increase the payment to $50,000 I'll do it immediately," Safi said. He also suggested such remarks were made mostly in jest.



We all know how in "lock step" CBS News was with the Bush administration. That is well known....NOT!

This was a PRETTY PUBLIC event. I am assuming you didn't feel it was worth your time to figure out what was REALLY going on in the region before you decide that WE are destabilizing the region.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129914

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On the front steps of the tattered YMCA here, people walk on mock Israeli and American flags arranged as doormats. Inside, the stage is festooned with Iraqi and Palestinian flags.

A large banner depicts the Al Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem, one of Islam's holiest sites, dripping in blood. In one corner, the larger-than-life faces of Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein smile side by side on a poster.

After 50 minutes of fiery speeches praising Saddam and Arafat and vilifying President Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 Palestinians are called to the stage one by one. Each is handed a check — a gift from Saddam Hussein.

Each recipient is the mother, father, wife or other close relative of either a suicide bomber or someone killed in a clash with Israeli soldiers or security guards at settlements in the Gaza Strip or West Bank.

Today's donation: a total of $285,000 — a princely sum in the economically distressed Gaza Strip.

One of the recipients is Nada Mahdi, a 22-year-old student, who arrived for the ceremony carrying her 3-month-old son, Ismail. Her husband, Mohammad, blew himself up last month trying to attack an Israeli military post in the Gaza Strip. There were no other injuries in the incident.

"I am proud of him," she says in Arabic after collecting her $25,000 check. "May God reward him."



Once again, do you think this destabilized the region? Or is it just your anti US view that WE are the only ones that can destabilize the region?

Do you realize how long $25,000 payments can go on when you are getting hundreds of millions in oil money?

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Re: 2014 Hottest Year on Record
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Actually ... no. From the article, see below.


"Being the shallowest lake, Erie freezes the fastest. Since 1970, Erie has completely frozen over three times: in 1978, 1979, and 1996. This year could be the fourth."


Apparently Lake Erie has not discussed this with Al Gore.


Then I call BS on this article. As a person who's winter exertion is tied to Lake Erie I am pretty darn sure that is a load of BS. I can't wait for that Lake to Freeze over. Now realize that there are a couple of power plants there so if that is what you count from not freezing then it still wouldn't effect walking across Lake Erie.

Lake Erie freezes over 7 out of every 10 winters.

http://blogs.fox11online.com/2010/01/ ... o-the-great-lakes-freeze/

This has to be correct, it is Fox!

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Re: 2014 Hottest Year on Record
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....uhhhh....I am pretty sure that EVERY winter you can walk across Lake Erie. In fact, I can't wait each year for Lake Erie to freeze so that the lake effect snow will stop. You can't pick up moisture if the lake is frozen over.

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