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Re: Will Grier's Finger Injury
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Thanks for the link.

Tough break...kind of reminded me of Pat White and his finger getting injured in a freaky way during 13-9.

I doubt he is back for the bowl game but either way hope the surgery is a success and he heals up fast.

I wonder if this doctor in North Carolina is the same sports surgeon who operated on Clint Trickett's shoulder/arm.

Posted on: 11/19 12:53 am
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Re: Official unofficial Texas game day and 'Jack Says' thread
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6. While he won't be putting up Will Grier level numbers, I think Chuganov will be better next week after taking a week of snaps with the first team offense.


This is one of the things that has bothered me over the last couple of years.

I was at the Kansas game last year. We CLEARLY have the game in hand. We bring in Chuganov. I think....ok.....let's see what this guy can do. What do we do? We hand the ball off and then take a knee. Seriously? Couldn't Skyler Howard have done that?! Run the offense and prep your #2 for a game!

His eyes literally (Yes....I mean almost literally) looked like a deer in headlights when he came in.

After about a quarter and a half he looked much more calm. I am not saying that he was Grier quality but he he will be better.

Now some of this is on him. I just don't think he prepares mentally for being in the game. When your number is called the offense can't lolligag around while you ease into the game. He needs to do a better job of being ready to go.

If he is not getting enough time with the offense then shame on the coaching staff. Are you telling me they don't think they are going to need the #2. I can see if your #3 guy has to come in then you are behind the 8 ball but #2 has to be planned for EVERY game.

When we were playing Delaware State Chuganov needed to be in there slinging the ball around and getting comfortable.


Well, I think part of the problem is that the NCAA does not allow for as much practice time that probably every head coach would want. In the end the most prudent use of the time they have to practice for a game with the scout team is to use the 1st team offense. If they split the time with Chuganov the result probably wouldn't be any better given how many snaps they have to work with.

That and nothing can substitute for real game experience which you only get with playing time. Even when a second string QB goes in for mop-up duty it's not the same as being in command of the offense in a competitive game.

But I think we will see a better Chris Chuganov next week. Again, not on par with Grier but better than yesterday.

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Re: Official unofficial Texas game day and 'Jack Says' thread
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Just finished watching the game after coming home from work.

My late to the party thoughts -

1. Still don't know if Will Grier's finger was broken or dislocated (if it was the latter then we could see him in the bowl game). Either way it looked ugly.

2. Our defense didn't play great today but overall they are better as a unit than they were earlier in the year. We are much better (although could still improve) on stopping the run. Kudos to Coach Gibson.

3. Pretty good crowd given the weather.

4. I know the offensive line was rebuilt but they haven't gotten much better as the season has progressed. Our running game has disappeared. If we can't run the ball against Oklahoma that game is going to get real ugly.

5. Not sure if Holgorsen was alluding to taking over the play calling again during his post-game presser but it sure sounded like it...maybe full-time again next season while putting Spavital up in the booth for the final two games this season. Have to wait and see how that unfolds.

6. While he won't be putting up Will Grier level numbers, I think Chuganov will be better next week after taking a week of snaps with the first team offense.


Posted on: 11/18 9:46 pm
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Re: WVU, Big XII, College Football News Thread
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Some Big 12 program news -

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/ ... ate/article184974428.html

I've read about this before in regards to Coach Snyder wanting his son to succeed him as head coach and that causing friction with the athletic department but wasn't sure if it was a legit story. Well, I guess it is. The AD at Kansas State is in a bind - Bill Snyder is highly regarded at the school yet his son may either not be ready to take charge of a P5 football program or may not be ready to be a head coach anywhere.

Posted on: 11/17 6:26 pm
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Re: Game 11 Texas
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I still prefer the Nehlen uni's


One thing that Coach Stewart did that I wished that Holgorsen had kept going was letting the kids pick the uniform combinations for each home game but Coach Stew reserved one game where he got to choose and that was the traditional "gold" pants and blue jerseys (we didn't have color options with the helmet back then).

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Re: Game 11 Texas
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dammit... i still want at least one game in all black, to symbolize the coal fields. gold numerals, with blue trim, or vice versa, blue with gold trim. just one game...


Actually I'm surprised we haven't done that yet....lots of other teams have all-black unis but at least with us the black represents something about the state.

Just as long as we don't do the grey uniforms again.

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Re: WVU, Big XII, College Football News Thread
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I get the impression holgerson and spavs are not seeing eye to eye on how this should be working.


I'm hoping Spav takes that as a sign to listen to Holgy tbh. Holgorsen has already gone through this and figured it out..


Well, I would imagine that before he took the job Spavital told Holgorsen that he will certainly defer to him when it comes to whether to go for it on 4rd down and on who to play (along the lines of stick with Kennedy as he has the hot hand running the ball right now) but as far as establishing his own rhythm on offense and calling plays Spavital probably wants to be left to do his thing without being second-guessed in real time. But of course they can work on stuff during the week and if Holgorsen wants the offense run in a different way in certain situations then Spav will have to defer to his boss.

Anyway, just wanted to note that we are now ranked in both the coaches and AP polls this week -

AP - 24
Coaches - 25

Posted on: 11/12 10:50 pm
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Re: White and Slaton feel unwelcome at WVU
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Let's be real here: present day Mountaineer football is the house Pat and Steve built. It didn't sound like they were making unreasonable requests. If the school wants to get all these guys together from across the country for basically one weekend, I don't think it's too much to ask for it to be better organized and worth their time. We at the very least owe them that. Pretty disappointing to hear.


To a degree that's very true, but what I think Pat and Steve need to realize is that they are the ones that get their pictures in the weight room and so on. They are the ones who will get recognized if they were walking through the blue lot on gameday. Pat and Steve (and Owen Schmitt) were the marquee players on those teams but there's a lot of other players who did a lot to also build that house that don't get mentioned. The casual fans in the blue lot would not spot Mike Dent or Ryan Stanchek or Darius Reynaud or Antonio Lewis Or Eric Wicks the way that Pat and Steve would be.

I do think it's unfortunate if they are not getting the recognition they deserve, but Pat White should keep in mind that very few will remember the guy who was snapping him the ball and opening up running lanes for him. Just saying they should try to keep things in better perspective.


I guess I said "Pat and Steve" for simplicity. Really the team and players from that era would have been a more appropriate way to describe the group. I think Darius might have been one of the most underrated players in WVU history. Or at least my WVU history.


Yeah, I remember watching a game from the 2007 season and one of the announcers was talking about a discussion he had with RichRod and the announcer asked him who was the best athlete he had on offense, Pat White Or Steve Slaton. RichRod told him - actually, it's Darius Reynaud.

Posted on: 11/12 6:43 pm
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Re: Official unofficial Kansas State game day and 'Jack Says' thread
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In the end a win is a win and we've had a tough time with Kansas State so I'm happy with the result. Defense did a terrific job in the second half.

We would be a very tough team to beat in the final two games if our offense can find a way to play all 4 quarters.

Coach Holgorsen should stick to ball caps and ditch the sun visor.

That's all I've got.

Posted on: 11/12 12:41 am
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Re: Unofficial Official WVU VS Texas A&M Game Thread
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Just watched the game on tape delay - I knew that the team would be missing Esa Ahmad but this was bad. Not saying the team is doomed but their lack of being able to hit a shot in the second half was alarming. We aren't going to get to the Final Four playing full-court defense and relying on 2nd chance (or in some cases 3rd, 4th, or 5th chance) shots....we really need guys who can shoot. I know this is a young team but that got real ugly.

Posted on: 11/10 10:20 pm
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Re: Game Ten (K State)
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Bad weather does not favor us.

And undisciplined teams usually lose to disciplined teams.

Guess which one we are.


Yeah, chilly with showers is the forecast. If we can't get our running game going we are going to find it difficult to pull out a win but we'll see.

Posted on: 11/10 10:34 am
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Re: Game Ten (K State)
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We are BOWL eligible and 6-3 in a rebuild year so any wins from here on out is awesome....Just hope we dont have to rebuild the QBs and WRs next year.


When we started the season my prediction was 8-4 or 7-5 given how much we lost from the prior year and not knowing if Grier would live up to the hype (he has). I agree given how thin we are at some positions and how the o-line is rebuilt and so on. K-State and Texas are winnable games for us and 8-4 would be a strong finish.

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Re: White and Slaton feel unwelcome at WVU
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Let's be real here: present day Mountaineer football is the house Pat and Steve built. It didn't sound like they were making unreasonable requests. If the school wants to get all these guys together from across the country for basically one weekend, I don't think it's too much to ask for it to be better organized and worth their time. We at the very least owe them that. Pretty disappointing to hear.


To a degree that's very true, but what I think Pat and Steve need to realize is that they are the ones that get their pictures in the weight room and so on. They are the ones who will get recognized if they were walking through the blue lot on gameday. Pat and Steve (and Owen Schmitt) were the marquee players on those teams but there's a lot of other players who did a lot to also build that house that don't get mentioned. The casual fans in the blue lot would not spot Mike Dent or Ryan Stanchek or Darius Reynaud or Antonio Lewis Or Eric Wicks the way that Pat and Steve would be.

I do think it's unfortunate if they are not getting the recognition they deserve, but Pat White should keep in mind that very few will remember the guy who was snapping him the ball and opening up running lanes for him. Just saying they should try to keep things in better perspective.

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Re: Will Grier Needs One More 300+ Yard Game To Break Geno Smith's Record
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K St will probably beat us if we fail to find a way to get our ground game going.


True, but we found a way to get it going against Iowa State and they are very similar teams with fundamentally sound defenses so here's to hoping they keep it going.

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Will Grier Needs One More 300+ Yard Game To Break Geno Smith's Record
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During the Iowa State Game Will Grier threw for 316 yards and that is the 8th time this season he has thrown for over 300 yards in a game (the Oklahoma State game being the exception where he threw for "only" 285).

Grier is now tied with Geno Smith for the record number of games with 300+ yards passing in a single season which stands at 8. One more game and he will break Geno's record.

Should be interesting to see how many more times he does this with the 3 games left....he may break the record with a final tally that will be tough to match in the future.

Interesting fact - you'd think that Geno's total yards passing in a single year would have been the highest in his senior year (2012), but he actually threw for more yards during his junior year -

2011 - 4,385 total (includes bowl game)
2012 - 4,205 total (includes bowl game)

As for Will Grier, to date he has thrown for 3,068 yards with a 65% completion rate (which is close to Geno's rate in 2011...Geno was a shade over 70% in 2012). One thing that should be noted during a comparison between the two is that the team that Grier is playing on is more balanced than the ones that Geno played on when it comes to the offense run-pass ratio.

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Re: Official unofficial Iowa State game day and 'Jack Says' thread
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Just finished watching the game on tape delay due to work.

Bottom line - the defense stopped the run and our running game reappeared. If we can continue to do this then we will be a very tough team to beat.

Great win against a legit Iowa State team. If I was an Iowa State fan I'd be questioning why they stuck to the 3-man front on defense for so long given the success we were having with the run but in the end they got beat.

On to Manhattan (Kansas, that is).


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Re: Dana Holgorsen: A Perspective
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This all comes down to depth. We get manhandled by the blue blood's offensive lines. Unless they find a way to consistently recruit D-lineman, a Big12 champ will be few and far between.


Since when did Oklahoma State become a blue blood?

To be honest, historically WVU has been considered a better program or at least on par with OSU.

Bluebloods are Texas, OU, Ohio St, etc.

When we were joining Big 12, Oliver Luck felt hiring a guy from Big 12 would help the transition, my feeling is if we stayed with the dual threat QB model, we'd be better off. I think if Big East survived then Air Raid would be good since no one was doing it.


OK come on now, let’s be real. Stayed with the dual threat model? Holgy has yet to recruit ANY QB from high school that could play in the B12, much less a stellar dual threat QB. I feel we are fortunate to have Grier and Trickett transfer in. Can you imagine this year without Grier?

Fellas we are who we are. The RR era was special because of Pat White and Slaton. That’s like catching lightning twice. Reality is RR was lucky PW was a great college QB and a great fit for his system.

Any coach will tell you it’s not about the X’s and O’s But the Jimmies and Joes. We hail from a very small, economically disadvantaged state. And we do damn well to compete at the level we do. But we will never recruit at the national championship level. It will take one hell of a lot of things to go our way to win a national championship in FB. Not impossible but very unlikely.
The last two years we lost one hell of a lot of talent from the two deep. This year’s results were inevitable. Some of the pundits saw this coming and picked us to be in the bottom half of the B12. I like most of us did t want to believe. Now it’s obvious they were correct. Hopefully we will be back to competing at the top of the B12 in a year or two.

In the meantime I suggest you enjoy the stellar effort out team puts forth on game day and the excellent job our coaches do in preparing them for battle. All indications are Holgy runs a clean program and recruits great kids who really like playing for him. We will be fine. But we need to realistic. We don’t reload like the blue bloods. We rebuild. Just like Nehlen did. Just like RR did.

It’s not the end of the fricking world if we have a down year. Get over it.


Agreed in regards to having realistic expectations and understanding that we rebuild, not reload and that the program will have its ups and downs. I would have been interesting to see if Rodriguez would have been able to maintain the 10+ wins per season....Big East defenses were being remodeled to stop the read option and teams like South Florida had already caught up.

To this day it baffles me how Holgorsen hasn't been able to recruit a blue chip QB from high school given his reputation as an offensive coordinator. The guy knows how to coach QBs (not knocking the prior coaching staff but I don't think Geno Smith would have broken records if Holgorsen didn't show up) and receivers. We recruit very well in regards to WRs and RBs but the QB position has been tough. I know we aren't the only school and great college QBs don't grow on trees but I assumed we'd do better.

As for recruiting in general, I know we have to look elsewhere for our recruits but we have shown an ability in the past to land real good recruits. After all, Coach Stewart (R.I.P.) was able to talk Geno Smith and Stedman Bailey and Tavon Austin into coming to Morgantown. Maybe part of the allure was being big fish in the small pond of the Big East....I don't know, but he did it.

Like you said, we're going to be ok. We lost a lot on defense last year and our offense is one year away (provided Grier stays for his final year of eligibility). The only thing I question is whether the loss of Ron Crook was worse than we realized...I know the o-line is new and young but they have been struggling a lot to open up running lanes.

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Re: Game Nine (vs 1st place Iowa State👍)
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I looked at some ISU team statistics and have watched them play a bit and came up with the following:

This ISU team appears to be built with the KState/Snyder blueprint in mind. They play excellent defense, with a lot of seniors and juniors. Their LB's and DB's tackle well and they get a few sacks with their LB's and DL. Their LB's Lanning, Spears and Harvey are very good. They bring some pressure with Lanning and Harvey and Lanning is especially disruptive in the backfield.

They have 3 DB's with at least 2 interceptions each (10 total for the team) and as a team are holding opponents to 18.8 points per game (2nd behind only TCU), as opposed to WVU's 31.6 PPG allowed (7th). Their rushing D holds teams to 126.9 yds per game (4th in the conference) but their passing D is 2nd in the league allowing only 220.6 YPG.

Overall this is a very experienced, fundamentally sound defense that is better at stopping the pass than the run, but is near the top of the league in both. They are the least penalized team in the league with under 4 flags a game for an average of 36.4 yds a game, whereas WVU gets over 6 a game for 66 plus yards.

Offensively, they average 32.4 PPG (6th) as opposed to our 3rd best 42.8 PPG and they rely heavily on their duel purpose, sophomore RB, Montgomery, who averages almost 20 carries a game, but only 89.5 yds at 4.6 per carry, while averaging almost 26 receiving yards per game out of the backfield. ISU wants Montgomery to touch the ball about 25 times a game. The ISU rushing offense is last in the B12 averaging 112.9 YPG on the ground, meaning that their other RB's and the QB combined pick up only 23.4 more yards per game than Montgomery.

Lazard is their only WR on the radar statistically, (he finally graduates after this year) averaging just shy of 5 catches per game and almost 60 YPG with 5 TD's. He is their possession WR at 12 yards per catch. ISU's other 183 plus yards passing per game (yards by others than Montgomery and Lazard) are spread around among a variety of receivers and presumably a TE or other RB.

This ISU team is built on solid defense and likes to grind it out on offense.

I pedict that ISU will do to us what KSU has done to us in the past and will beat us at home. I hope I'm wrong, but they are seasoned, fundamentally sound across the board and are well coached, whereas we are not very seasoned, and as a result are not very fundamentally sound, though are seemingly more athletically gifted across rhe board. I, unlike so many on this board, have no real qualms with our coaching, but still think we are a 6-6 or 7-5 team at this point and this ISU team looks like it is very solid.


Great analysis. That's what I see with Iowa State this year - a Kansas State like focus on sound fundamentals and sticking to doing the things they do well.

This is a model that we can follow in the future. That's not to say that our coaching staff doesn't preach fundamentals but some coaching staffs seem to focus on it more than others.

That aside, if Iowa State shows up like they have been in the past few weeks then then this is going to be a very difficult game for us to win. I'll feel better if we are able to get the running game back on track but I don't see us reinventing the offensive line this late in the season. That and our run defense has been porous so they will play ball control and seek to keep our offense which is still potent off the field as much as possible. The way we're playing this is not a good matchup for us.

Of course I hope I'm wrong and this turns into a late season turnaround game for us. We are going to have to put a lid on the turnovers, find a way to move the ball on the ground and our defense has to stop their running game.

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Re: Dana Holgorsen: A Perspective
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I have no problems with the head man. Don't know enough about the play caller.

But I know this OK State was better. Their line on both sides of the ball beat us up.

Will had a bad game, most of the time he was hurried and their QB had all day to throw.

I thought we could win but that is me.


Agreed - we got beat by a better team yesterday, that's all.

I wasn't very familiar with Ron Crook when he arrived but maybe he was a much better coach than I realized.

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Re: Rest of the season outlook
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Well nothing is going to happen except maybe Dana will be in a win 9+ games next season or you are fired deal. Still probably scared to eat that contract if they get to another 6-6 or 5-7 season

I expect them to beat Kansas State although if they struggle against Kansas and Baylor nothing is sure. Iowa State is a much better team than us and Oklahoma is 20 times better than us. Texas I am not sure

Still cracks me up that Benedict Oliver fired Stewart cause they were never going to be more than an 8 win team and just hired a more expensive/more dickish version




Dana had better beat ISU. They do not have more size, or speed, or better players at almost every position. If they beat us it will be because of coaching, which would be an indictment on the staff. I don’t care that they beat TCU we should’ve too. I won’t call for his firing if we lose but it’ll be hard to still strongly support him or have faith in the direction of the program. I think Texas and certainly OU will be tough. He needs to beat ISU and KSU, two programs we are infinitely more talented and drop than, and go from there against Texas/OU


I don't know how we match up with ISU individually, but they've beaten Oklahoma in Norman and their defense shut out TCU yesterday. Between us and Iowa State, they are the ones with wins against two Top 10 teams so I wouldn't say this is a must win game. If we do win I'll chalk it up as a big win for us given what ISU has accomplished so far.

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