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Re: Former WVU players in pro basketball thread
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I'm surprised this hasn't been posted. Dax signed a two-way deal with the Sac Kings. With that he'll make a base of $75k while in the G-league and can spend up to 45 days with the team in the NBA. Pretty good deal for someone who wasn't getting much attention.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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OK if he gets fired, who are you going to get that would be better?


I would probably look for someone that didn't build his whole team around one player and would actually have 3 QBs ready to play.

Maybe someone that when they played an FCS team would try and see what his backup QB could do. Not put him in with 45 seconds left to hand off and kneel down.

Just one of many of my requirements.

I assure you there is someone out there better than Holgy. Probably a number out there that isn't as good but if you think that Holgy is:

A. The pinnacle of coaching talent, or
B. We can't hire anyone else better

that is the kind of thinking that will never build a winner.


I really don't think Holgorsen has built his entire team around 1 player. I just don't understand this logic some of our fans seem to apply when criticizing the coaching staff and the lack of QB talent. It is as if people think WVU is some Mecca for QB talent and that 2-3 blue chip prospects are lining up to come play here every recruiting cycle, thus affording this team the luxury of having 3 highly capable back-ups waiting for the guy ahead of them to go down.

As it stands right now we have a potential Heisman candidate QB as the clear cut starter, a former 4-star QB backing him up and another 4-star incoming Freshman. For the first time since Jarret Brown and Geno Smith were on the roster together has WVU had this much QB depth.

I also find it interesting that you used Clemson as your example of QB stability. They have a QB that has already left the program and are likely going to be a 2-QB system heading into the season, and we all know how well 2 QB rotations work. Also, rumors are already out there that if Kelly Bryant does not win the job he may also transfer out, leaving them with 1 QB.


I really try to be optimistic but you take optimism to the next level.

While you might believe he didn't build the team around one player.....see you can recruit 25 receivers that are 4 star players but when you only have ONE guy that can get them the ball you effectively make your offense a one player system. It's like building a chain you can build a whole chain from 1 inch thick links but if you insert one 1/2 inch link you have a half inch chain and you wasted your time with the others.

Interestingly enough....none of your musings have happened. I have stated things which have happened in the past or are happening right now. Your reply is well.....next year.....

I think most of us are sick of next year. I see a guy that has excellent talent and I know he is being touted as a Heisman frontrunner but I don't really see it. There is nothing I have seen that says Heisman to me but that is just me. ANYONE's shot at a Heisman is remote I understand but I don't think I see the ability to be consistent enough to win the trophy.

As for the rest of the guys....they haven't done anything to this point in time.

Maybe we do have the deepest QB position in since Geno. All I am asking for is a quality backup that doesn't immediately have his own team mates calling up Vegas to bet against the team and maybe a third ACTUAL body to put back there. I don't think that is excessive given the guy has been here for 7 years!!!!! That is practically 2 FULL recruiting classes!

As for no-one wants to come here that is complete BS! We have had many great QBs over the years. QBs that have played NFL football. We have had some pretty good backups that never started for us but did a good job.......and I have never, until this past December ever heard a WVU coach say we didn't have a guy who could even be sent out on the field to take a snap.

You give a guy a chance to play and he will come here. You don't really need a 4 star back up. You can have a 2 or three star guy as your back-up. But he's not coming here if he never get's a chance to play. Who WOULD?!

Not asking for two QB system but when we're up by 42 points on Kansas....put the backup in the game. Put the backup in the game when you are down 56-10 to Oklahoma. Let's see what he has. Chugs never got into the game with much over 4 or 5 minutes left and then was only allowed to hand the ball off.

If you treat your QBs like that then...yes...they are going to leave. I don't blame them. I would rather go to FCS and play than for WVU to sit on the bench. We rotate MANY, MANY other positions there is no reason that QB can't be rotated occasionally.

Oklahoma sat Mayfield against us and their BACKUP scored in two plays. TWO PLAYS!!!! Not asking for that but our backup wasn't able to complete a pass to his dad in the back yard let alone during a game.

As for Clemson, maybe they will leave....maybe they won't. Maybe they will play two, maybe one will win the job. But one has to WIN the job you can't just name one if they really are that close. I don't know of any team that isn't for that kind of competition. if you have two great QBs you need to get two great QBs on the field. But regardless of that....Swinney has won a NC so I think he can be trusted to know whether they have a QB. Two QB systems that fail are two QB systems that have two crappy QBs that can't win the job.

I think it is hilarious that one would poo-poo Clemson when they have been in the playoffs for the last 3 years. When was the last time we were even discussed about being IN the playoffs.


I'm not overly optimistic, just realistic.

If Kids wanted to come to Morgantown WVU would be winning more games. WVU is not a top destination for top talent from Texas, California, Florida and the rest of the deep south, which is where the vast majority of top players come from. It is not as if Holgorsen and the rest of the coaches have been actively not recruiting top players, they just chose to go to Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, OU, et al.

Next year? I'm talking about this year, as that is what is about to happen. This team is about to roll out a former 5-star QB and two former 4-stars on the roster.

I don't give a flying-**** what you think about Will Grier or either of the other two QB's behind him, he was highly rated in high school, went 6-0 at Florida and led WVU to a 7-3 record with a terrible defense last year before getting hurt. The kid is a stud and pretty much everyone who has watched him play sees what I see, except for you obviously. I'm not saying he will win a Heisman or be drafted #1 overall, but a whole hell of a lot of people have him on their list to win a Heisman and be the best QB in the draft. You can sit around bitching and waiting for someone better to play for WVU, I'll enjoy the next 12-15 game he has left here.

What is this whole "you don't really need 4 star back up" bullshit you just wrote? Earlier you were complaining that WVU doesn't have three 5-star QB's like Clemson battling it out, now you seem to think 2-star QB's will cut it? You can't have it both ways just to support you argument. Also, thanks for supporting my position that multiple top level QB's wouldn't come to a program where they would not play. Teams all across the NCAA are having that problem, it is why so many QB's are transferring.

What Kansas game did you watch? Kansas was in the game until late, WVU was never up 42. Had Holgorsen pulled Grier for Chugs WVU likely looses that game. And what does it mater that Kylar Murray scored in two plays? All that proves is that WVU's defense blew a big fat one last year.

Are you really advocating a QB rotation? Wow, just wow.

I wasn't shitting on Clemson's achievements, you are the one who brought them up as an example of some pinnacle of QB success, but outside of Deshaun Watson they have been mediocre at best especially last year. All I did was point out that they are having issues themselves and even a national championship doesn't mean you have a secure QB situation.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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OK if he gets fired, who are you going to get that would be better?


I would probably look for someone that didn't build his whole team around one player and would actually have 3 QBs ready to play.

Maybe someone that when they played an FCS team would try and see what his backup QB could do. Not put him in with 45 seconds left to hand off and kneel down.

Just one of many of my requirements.

I assure you there is someone out there better than Holgy. Probably a number out there that isn't as good but if you think that Holgy is:

A. The pinnacle of coaching talent, or
B. We can't hire anyone else better

that is the kind of thinking that will never build a winner.


I really don't think Holgorsen has built his entire team around 1 player. I just don't understand this logic some of our fans seem to apply when criticizing the coaching staff and the lack of QB talent. It is as if people think WVU is some Mecca for QB talent and that 2-3 blue chip prospects are lining up to come play here every recruiting cycle, thus affording this team the luxury of having 3 highly capable back-ups waiting for the guy ahead of them to go down.

As it stands right now we have a potential Heisman candidate QB as the clear cut starter, a former 4-star QB backing him up and another 4-star incoming Freshman. For the first time since Jarret Brown and Geno Smith were on the roster together has WVU had this much QB depth.

I also find it interesting that you used Clemson as your example of QB stability. They have a QB that has already left the program and are likely going to be a 2-QB system heading into the season, and we all know how well 2 QB rotations work. Also, rumors are already out there that if Kelly Bryant does not win the job he may also transfer out, leaving them with 1 QB.

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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I just cut my Dish bill in half, I was paying about $130/month. Now, I don't even get ESPN or Fox Sports. I don't miss those channels at all.

Reading these articles about crooked dealings behind the scenes makes me all the more sure that I don't even want to watch the games anymore. Without a level playing field in recruiting, what's the use? Programs that choose to play by the rules will only ever get that occasional diamond in the rough, but never be able to build a complete team that can honestly compete. I always wondered why we never get a four or five star QB behind an offensive line with all 300 pound plus linemen like they do at Alabama or Michigan. We sometimes get that one really top level recruit, but he has no supporting cast around him.

I always suspected, but now I know.

I just don't even want to watch anymore.


I watch because sometimes the stars align and your team has that magical season. We saw WVU have it in 2010 in basketball. To put it in perspective, Kansas with its 5-star loaded roster got eliminated worse by the same team WVU did and made it as far as Loyola Chicago, which has no 5-star players on its roster. When you consider how bad they cheat and it has been a full decade since they won it all it says that paying players only gets them so far. As much as I can't stand the "blue bloods" and hate that they're allowed to lie ad cheat they're way to the top, you also have to consider the Butlers, VCUs and Loyolas of the basketball world that made magical runs and know that any year any team can get hot at the right time. I also think Villanova probably runs a clean program and they're killing it right now.

Posted on: 4/12 11:29 am
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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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One reason the pundits say it is not as prevalent in football is because these are shoe deals. The basketball players expose the shoes and their faces... In football players faces are not so visible and not too many teenagers are motivated to go out and pay $100+ for cool football cleats. This is not to say payments are not being made to football players it just may not be with shoe companies.







I think the payment of football players is coming from private individuals, like boosters, and is more prevalent at schools in the south eastern part of the country. Not saying it makes it better but I do think the impact is different for some reason, although Alabama does keep winning it all...

I find it really hard to believe no coaches or staff at KU knew about this. Even if they were all somehow oblivious to it, the NCAA and the Big 12 need to come down on them hard.

We've all wondered why the Big 12 has allowed them to win all the time and why the refs seem so corrupt when calling games against KU. Maybe it isn't the conference behind it, maybe it is Adidas behind the favorable calls in KU's way?


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Re: WVU BBall Thread for Things that Don't Need their Own Thread
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Ahmad follows Sags to the NBA inspection line.

http://www.wvillustrated.com/wvu-bask ... -draft-process/1102824281


Maybe the feedback he will receive will inspire him to be a better and more consistent player next year.

Posted on: 4/5 2:14 pm
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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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We weren't better than runner-up Gonzaga last year, and we weren't better than power rankings #1 this year. Certain nights we could beat them, but not the majority of the time.

The poster than said we were better than both of those teams is just wrong.


That's your opinion, mine is that WVU has the better team. At the very least these two teams are pretty even and for 30 minutes tonight WVU was definitely the better team and I'd like WVU's chances to beat Villanova more than they would lose to them if they played them multiple times. Same with Gonzaga. Both games could have and should have been WVU wins, but in a one-and-done situation you can't slip up.

That's WVU fatal flaw, they crumble sometimes when the calls go against them. WVU didn't get to 15-1 and #2 in the country by accident. That team showed up at some point at least in almost every game.

WVU proved that for the majority of 3 games against Kansas they were better. Same goes for once against Kentucky. Once against TTU and that is just this year. This team just doesn't know how to fight when backed into a corner. It has been a tend on and off for the last 4 years.

Meanwhile a team WVU beat 2 out of times and a team WVU beat twice (once by 30+ points) this season are both in the elite 8 and WVU is going home.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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One thing I noticed about this team is that this team just hasn't had the guts to hang in a game when they run into adversity. Only once this year did they play tough when the chips were down, and that was early against Mizzou. Tonight was a good example. When the refs started to really sway this in Villanova's favor it is like these guys just lost it and collapsed. They also couldn't adjust to the calls or make good decisions.

I'm not defending the poor calls but our 2 best guards needed to do whatever necessary to be on the court. Dax picked up two cheap calls early in the 2nd half, but instead of backing off and just guarding his man he made an attempt to swipe the ball and got called. I think at that point we all knew the refs were looking for anything to call and he should have backed off. His scoring and court presence was far more valuable than the attempted steal, especially since at that time Nova wasn't scoring.

What the hell happened to Beetle Bolden since the regular season ended? He played terrible the last 6 games and tonight when Nova was making a run I felt like his play really hurt the team, especially that pathetic lay-up attempt that led to a huge transition dunk. That was super deflating and that's where the game unofficially ended, IMO.

Until this team can grow some balls these kinds of games are going to keep happening. This is three years in a row a team WVU was better than ended their season. As good as Jevon and Dax were they've both had a part in all of these epic meltdowns and no-shows. The scary thing is they are also the reason this team won as much as it did. I really hope someone on the roster figures it out or one of the new guys brings it with them because this team will be a big disappointment next year.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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We will never win a big12 title or final four game with the way we play defense. The ncaa has made it perfectly clear they don't want aggressive defensive teams. Offense is king in this league.


So what is their excuse tonight because for 33 minutes WVU was the better team offensively AND defensively. WVU was and IS the better team.

This is where TTU getting the #3 seed was huge. I know that Nova got the calls because of their seeding over ours. I like a 2/3 seed's chance of a fairly officiated game than a 1 vs a 5. TTU will likely work them harder than we were but Nova won't get all of the calls like they did tonight.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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There are two teams that normally beat WVU. They are 1. WVU and 2. the officials. I think I have watched WVU get beat by the other team 10 times or less in the last 4 years. I sick of it. I'm sick of WVU being the better team yet still loosing games.

Tonight WVU was playing too well and once up 6 points the refs took it to another level. Once the refs let that 4 point possession happen I knew this was going to be bad. I can almost stand when WVU implodes and lets one slip away, because at least that is on them but when it is blatantly obvious that we are getting the short end of all the calls it is hard to take.

Our players deserve better than this.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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This is not looking good. The refs kept them in it long enough for their shots to stat falling. The refs are now officially in WVU's head and this is close to being over.

Posted on: 3/23 8:32 pm
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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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They are going to keep us out of this game. Brunson is a bitch and he has gotten away with like 5 push-offs. Meanwhile we drive the basket and get mugged and its a play on.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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Bolden, get off the court! We need players who can help us against the refs, not hurt us.

Where was the over the back on that dunk? The refs are in their heads.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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Nice job refs, way to erase that lead.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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Over the back? Shove? Nope. Let's give them more opportunities they don't deserve. 4 point possession.

Posted on: 3/23 8:19 pm
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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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Jevon needs to chill. He is trying too hard right now and taking reckless shots.

Posted on: 3/23 8:06 pm
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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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This is ridiculous. The biggest fix attempt.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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This is getting out of control. These refs are a joke.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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I'm so gaddamn tired of officiating being slanted so hard against this team. They know Villanova will bury us if they can get them to the line and they are set on doing that. Even better if they can take our best players out as well.

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Re: NOVA GD THREAD
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These fouls are weakass calls.

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