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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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There is a pretty cool website out there, https://gradtransfertracker.com, that keeps a running list of both potential and committed grad transfers. If you go there, the pickings for potential transfers at the moment are pretty slim. Most of the available grad transfers don't look like good fits for us for fall. There are a couple of exceptions, but the list is pretty sparse. Again, we might already be who we are in the fall for the most part.

But, there might be a new wave of them after spring practices. We will see.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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I have done some reading up on the different color of "shirts" for football recruits.

We know what a redshirt is, a player on scholarship who can practice but not play for a year. Players have 5 years to play 4, and that non-playing year is called a redshirt. That one is pretty well known.

A greenshirt is an early enrollee who is on scholarship but enters school in the spring semester to get a jump start on his college career.

A grayshirt is a player who is recruited (officially visited the school or given a letter of intent) that may enroll as a part time student in the fall and then goes full time and on scholarship in the following spring. The scholarship counts for the following year.

A blueshirt is a player who is not officially recruited (no official visit and no letter of intent) who can enroll as a walk on and then go on scholarship the first day of fall camp. The scholarship counts for the following year.

Translated into our situation, any blueshirt player can enroll as a walk on and play right away, though his scholarship will count toward the 2019 class. Any player wanting to blueshirt cannot have been officially recruited. The only players I can see this happening to right now are Angus Davies and Jayce Rogers. I don't think Rogers ever officially visited. Davies won't show up until summer if he does at all.

I think Tavis Lee and Taymon Cooke have both officially visited. That means they will either go on scholarship for 2018 like the others in the class or grayshirt, which means they won't enroll full time until January 2019. If I am wrong about them officially visiting, they can be blueshirt candidates.

So WVU can delay the scholarships for all of them until 2019 if they find three suitable JUCO or transfer candidates. If, per chance, they only find two transfers/JUCOs, they can sign one of them. If they only find one, they can sign both. It really depends on what they find on the transfer market.

As far as I can tell, grad transfers count toward the 25 limit too. Right now, WVU has 78 scholarship players either signed or enrolled for 2018. It seems to me the best way to get to the 85 limit would be to sign 3 more transfers and/or JUCOs, and gray/blue shirt Rogers, Lee, Cooke, and Davies. I hope that clears some things up.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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All in all, it was a quiet signing day, with only two letters of intent coming in, and both were expected. Going into the day, we knew we were going to probably lose out on Gooden and Character and that is exactly what happened.

There was some drama involving 4-star CB Jairus Brents, as rumored circulated for several hours that he was WVU's for the taking if they wanted him. In the end, his top choice, Louisville, came through with a full offer and he signed with them. We were his insurance policy at best.

Taymon Cooke, Tavis Lee, and Jayce Rogers all had "signing ceremonies" at their respective high schools showing them "signing" with WVU. They signed something, but it was not a letter of intent. Not yet.

Three spots remain and right now those three are the front runners, but this recruiting season will stretch through the spring and into the early summer, most likely. REgular transfers and JUCOs count as part of the class, so the staff will have to use them wisely. Grad transfers may not count, but I am not sure.

In any event, WVU still needs help at CB and would like help on the D-line and maybe at linebacker. They will see what shakes out with JUCOs and transfers. On the D-line, if they can't find someone who can give immediate help, they will likely sign Lee for #23 in the class. Lee is considered a long-term project anyway, due to his present lack of size. I would guess they will look hard for a JUCO or grad transfer at CB. Over the past two years, Maurice Fleming was a good grad transfer but Corey Winfield not so much. LB may be a spot to look for a grad transfer too, but they are already addressing LB hard in the 2019 class.

I would guess WVU only takes guys who are immediately eligible, unless someone pops onto the market that is just too good to pass up (a Grier, Allison, Haskins, etc.). This will be a lengthy process to fill up the class as best they can. At the end of the day, there will still probably be a couple of scholarships left over to hand out to deserving walk-on seniors.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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The Brown brothers have signed with WVU. They make numbers 21 and 22 for the 2018 class. I recently learned that both Skyler Simcox and Joe Brown count toward the 25 signing limit for the class, so now WVU has three spots left for high schoolers and transfers. I'm not sure if grad transfers count toward the 25 or not. Let's hope not.

Three spots left for the following:
Emmit Gooden (doubtful on him, looks like UT material)
Jayce Rogers
Taymon Cooke
Tavis Lee
Angus Davies
Any one of a number of other options from HS, transfer, or JUCO

We might be done for the day.

Posted on: 2/7 11:15 am
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Marlon Character has, as expected, signed with Louisville.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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It's signing day, ladies and gentlemen! There might be some drama today after all.

The Browns are expeted to sign soon, so no drama there. All our verbal commitments or agreements show no signs of flipping.

Emmit Gooden looks solid to Tennessee, and Marlon Charater looks just as solid, if not more, to Louisville.

We might snag someone unexpected. Stay tuned.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Cooke will be part of this class as soon as everything on his end is squared away. His (and everyone else's) grades have to be in order before he signs. WVU can't risk signing a player with a grades issue. That player counts both toward the class limit of 25 and the scholarship limit of 85, even if he cannot get his grades in order. Gone are the days when a school can replace an academic casualty with another and not have it count against them.

This might be the quietest signing day in history for WVU. I would not be surprised to have only one LOI signed Wednesday, that of Mike Brown. Joe Brown may sign, but I'm not sure if he need to do so as a grad transfer.

Right now there are 76 scholarship players either signed or enrolled. The Browns will push that number to 78 Wednesday. Taymon Cooke, Jayce Rogers, Tavis Lee, and Angus Davies will all likely come aboard at some point, making 82 on scholarship.

WVU is hoping to sign two 4-star JUCO players Wednesday, though the odds admittedly look slim for each right now. Emmit Gooden appears to be leaning hard to Tennessee and defensive back Marlon Character is down to us and Louisville. Louisville holds all the crystal ball picks, but he visited this past weekend. They seem to be the only two still in play for us. Both are set to announce sometime Wednesday. Getting either would be good; both would be fantastic.

That leads up to grad and other transfers. Expect WVU to be in the market for 1-3 transfers, grad transfers, or other late-out JUCOs. I expect a DL if Gooden goes Rocky Top, a CB if Character flies to Louisville, and maybe another DB or LB to round it all out. This may string on well into the summer.

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Re: 2019 WVU Football Recruiting Thread
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Richardson and Thrift seem to be the early favorites for the safety position. There is a lot of year left, though, and we will see. I'm kinda surprised Richardson hasn't committed already. He is a Morgantown kid after all.

Cooke has committed on his end, but not yet on WVU's. He has some grade issues to work through, I think. Once these are all set, he will almost surely be part of the class. I'm not sure if he will sign on Wednesday or not. Grade casualties now count toward both the class and scholarship limits once a player signs. He is only clear to sign when all grade issues are free and clear. I think the same holds true for Tavis Lee and Jayce Rogers.

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Re: 2019 WVU Football Recruiting Thread
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I keep replying to myself.

In reality, WVU does not have many seniors on the 2018 roster. The 2019 recruiting class may be smaller than normal, even with the usual attrition. Here are the seniors:

QB Will Grier
TE Trevon Wesco
WR Dominique Maiden
WR Gary Jennings
WR David Sills
WR William Crest
OT Yodny Cajuste
OG Joe Brown (has not yet enrolled)
OG Isaiah Hardy
DE Ezekiel Rose
DT Jaleel Fields
LB Quondarius Qualls
S Dravon Henry
S Toyous Avery

I would expect 1-2 more seniors in the grad transfer market. Likely a CB and maybe one more depending. We might only have about 15 seniors to replace.

Two players might be in line to leave early for the NFL after 2018, though it is too early to tell right now.

LB David Long
OT Colton McKivitz

The staff has a great start on 2019.

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Re: 2019 WVU Football Recruiting Thread
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Defensive end Jalen Thornton makes the fourth commit to the 2019 WVU class. He is the son of former Mountaineer and Cincinnati Bengal John Thornton. It's nice to see WVU piling up legacy commits.

The defensive recruiting for 2019 is rolling nicely. We lose DLs Ezekiel Rose and Jaleel Fields to graduation. Thornton presumably replaces Rose. We lose LB Quondarius Qualls to graduation and maybe (hopefully not!) David Long to early entry. We already have two OLBs committed in Dwayne Grantham and Lee Kpogba. We lose safeties Dravon Henry and Toyous Avery. There are several safeties in play, including Amir Richardson, Ben Waibogha, Jayvon Thrift, and more. We lose no CBs, and Aliquippa's Marlon Devonshire has us high at that position.

Offense has no recruits yet. Kolton McGhee is committed at kicker.

Looks really good so far.


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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Well, bummer, Gooden did not commit. He just listed his top three schools: us, Arkansas (where he was once committed then backed off), and home-state Tennessee (where he was committed for a time out of high school). I'd say it's between us and UT. Too bad the connection with Val Martin was severed.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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"Big news tomorrow at noon" says 4-star DL and top remaining WVU target Emmit Gooden. Hopefully it is a commitment. His commitment would make 21 solids (plus Tavis Lee and Jayce Rogers). It would also finish the DL recruiting.

WVU can take a maximum of 25 recruits (from high school and JUCO). Transfers Joe Brown and Skyler Simcox do not count toward the 25. Neither would any other potential transfers. There is a cap at 25 high schoolers/JUCOs, however. His commitment would make 79 scholarship players. It would mean that WVU could sign a maximum of 4 more recruits from HS/JUCO to count for this year, and take a maximum of two more transfers.

Of course CB is the last remaining position of great need. I would think we would take one HS CB (could be Taymon Cooke) and one JUCO or grad transfer at the position. I also think we are a little thin at LB, so a grad transfer LB might garner interest if the right fit becomes available.

Since 2000, WVU has had only 32 recruits with 4 or more stars according to 247 sports. Only 2 DL before this year were ever 4-stars: Bruce Irvin and Tevita Finau (if he really exists). Good teams start up front.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Not Raines himself. I know he is already signed. He was talking about someone else, perhaps Shaquon Anderson-Butts

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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The offensive line questions for 2018 just got settled as WVU received the verbal pledges of JUCO OL Mike Brown and the graduate transfer of his brother Joe. This gives WVU 14 scholarship offensive linemen, and I imagine that position group is done for 2018. Joe has one year of eligibility and Mike has three years to play two. I expect Junior Uzebu to redshirt, as he is a year younger than his graduating class already. Briason Mays and Blaine Scott, the other two OL recruits, are already enrolled and planning to participate in spring ball.

Depending on whether or not Billy Kinney is on scholarship for next year (reports vary), this means WVU now has 78 or 79 scholarship players for next year.

I see Val Martin is no longer a top target at DL. That might mean things are looking strong for 4-star DL Emmit Gooden. Coach Holgorsen tweeted out a picture of him visiting Gooden's mom.

So far no other visits for either Gooden or Taymon Cooke for this last weekend of visits before signing day.

There are still a number of guys waiting - Tavis Lee, Jayce Rogers, Angus Davies - and the need is still there for a JUCO or grad transfer CB. I would also hope we look at LB too. kinda thin there.

The picture is getting clearer.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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It seems as though the weekend visitors had a good time. Chris Anderson put in a crystal ball pick for Emmit Gooden to WVU. The Brown brothers left impressed too. We will have to wait and see, but it seems as though all three are hopeful. Nine days and change to wait maximum.

Posted on: 1/28 10:09 pm
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2019 WVU Football Recruiting Thread
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Martinsburg LB Dwayne Grantham committed to the good guys today. He is the third commit in the class, joining Pennsylvania 3-star kicker Kolton McGhee and North Carolina 3-4 star LB Lee Kpogba.

This makes 2 linebackers before the end of January. The only guy graduating next year at LB is Quondarius Qualls.


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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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A couple weeks ago, Kwantel Raines tweeted about a big signing-day flip to WVU. I think there is a link to the tweet up-thread.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Right. We have 8 open roster spots as of right now. We have 77 scholarship players either enrolled or signed letter-of-intent.

Tavis Lee recently tweeted that he will become a Mountaineer on Feb 7. I don't know why he did not sign in December, but it looks like he will in a week and a half.

Joe Brown, brother of KU commit and WVU official visitor Mike Brown, is also on campus this weekend. He has done some travelling in his college career, but originally played offensive line for Miami (Fla) as a RS freshman. He transferred after that year and wound up at BYU. He is a grad transfer now with one year left. Maybe WVU closes the offensive line additions with both Browns and replaces one pair of brothers (Adams) with another. If that happens, it would give them a total of 14 scholarship O-linemen.

We will have to wait and see on Gooden at DL I think. He has a lot of big offers and one weekend left to see one of them. If we don't get him, we will push hard for Val Martin. Lee and either Gooden or Martin will probably seal the DL recruiting.

CB has space for two. I am thinking Taymon Cooke is one, and maybe Jayce Rogers is the other. Rogers' name has not come up much, but he remains on the commit list. He hasn't visited to my knowledge. I'm not sure who might be available as a grad transfer. Benjie Franklin was the biggest JUCO name, but he is slated at Ole Miss next weekend. I think he is SEC bound. Terrance Williams is another name. He originally signed with Louisville, but went JUCO. WVU is his only offer, but I don't know what his situation is.

There is still Angus Davies, the punter from down under.

That leaves room for one more, and that might be Kwantel Raines' "mystery flip" on signing day. A name to keep an eye on is the Enis kid from Arizona. He is the son of former PSU RB Curtis Enis and is leaning hard toward his dad's alma mater at WR. If he commits to PSU, the lone unsigned commit at PSU might not feel wanted anymore. Hmmm.....

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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A couple more developments on the football front. The Adams twins (Jordan and Jacquiz) are no longer Mountaineers. That leaves 77 scholarship players either signed or enrolled. It also leaves WVU with only 6 CBs on the roster and only one with meaningful experience (Hakeem Bailey). The need at CB just shot through the roof. Perhaps WVU gets more serious about safety now and moves Kenny Robinson back to a corner for the time being. Gotta like Taymon Cooke's chances now.

The Kansas JUCO OL Mike Brown is in town as is Emmit Gooden. We shall see what happens, but there is more roster room now.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Things are starting to clear up with a little under two weeks from signing day. This weekend, WVU is bringing in three official visitors so far. One is Taymon Cooke, who has been part of the recruiting process all along. Another is 4-star JUCO DL Emmit Gooden, and the third is JUCO OL and Kansas commit Mike Brown. Next weekend the only official visit on tap so far is JUCO DL Val Martin.

It seems that OL, DL, and CB are the only spots left to recruit. Depending on who is available, it looks like WVU is prepared to take 1-2 at each position. Here are the names of those currently in play:

DL: Gooden, Martin, and Tavis Lee. All will have officially visited by signing day. Gooden has lots of offers and will probably visit somewhere next weekend. He has visited Arkansas, Louisville, and Arizona State. Martin is visiting Washington State this weekend and went to FAU last weekend. We are the only big school after Lee.

OL: Brown would have to flip. We are looking at Reuben Lewis who is leaning ECU and visiting there next week and Beau Morris who visits SMU this week. Maybe Morris will come to town next week.

CB: Cooke is visiting this week. I don't think current verbal Jayce Rogers has visited yet. There are a couple of JUCOs in play, but no word of visits on Benjie Franklin or Terrance Williams. Franklin visits Ole Miss next week. Cooke might finally be a take.

Maybe WVU only takes 1 each and looks for other late-out JUCOs or combs the transfer market. Gooden is potentially exciting. Not many 4-stars left on the board at this point. Stay tuned.

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