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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Very quiet on the recruiting front. 19 commits so far and one transfer. 5 or 6 spots left according to Keenan Cummings. Here's where we stand from my outsider's perspective:

We are looking at 4 positions, WR, OL, LB, and CB. Every other position seems filled at this time. I think Brown remains committed unless someone makes a late push. I think everyone else seems solid at the moment.

WR: Dillon Spalding is the one to watch. He's locked in an official visit on Dec 9 and Michigan is his only other school of interest (no visit date set to Ann Arbor). We are looking very strong for him. There was some talk of flipping Devonta Jason from Kansas, but it looks like LSU does that if anyone does. I don't know what is going on with Joseph Scates, but either this is hush-hush or we are not interested. Louisville is. So we'll see.

OL: There are a handful of prospects for one, maybe two OL spots. JUCO Reuben Lewis has an official set, and it might be between us and LSU for him. A few high school prospects have mutual interest: Jalen Goss (likely winds up in the SEC), Luke Tenuta (likely ACC), and Josh Ezeudu (who knows?). There are a couple more JUCOs, but still a lot of mystery.

LB: Zakoby McClain is the big fish here, but things have been really quiet with him lately. He's from Georgia, and could play in the SEC. We'll have to wait and see. We offered Tavis Lee over the weekend. I don't know if his offer is an immediate "take" or not, but he might be the insurance if McClain doesn't come. He might come anyway, but they are likely waiting on McClain. James Miller has some interest, but he will likely stay in Florida.

CB: Lots of prospects for one slot. Jeremy Webb is the highest ranked. There has been talk of flipping Corione Harris from KU, which would be huge. Both he and WR Devonta Jason are from the same high school as Tevin Bush. JUCO Keith Washington is in the conversation, and so is Taymon Cooke. At least 3 more JUCO players have been offered too. Very cloudy at this point.

And then there are the transfers that will become available. It should be fun as we near the early signing period, which begin Dec 20 for both high schoolers and JUCOs.

Posted on: 11/8 8:52 am
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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And, to the praise of many, the offer goes out to Tavis Lee today. My bet is a commit follows soon.

Posted on: 11/4 6:25 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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i have serious doubts this will be a top 25 class when all is said and done. It will definitely be top 30, but there are several programs currently behind us in the rankings that will pass us by before signing day gets here. Right now, we are leading Alabama, Clemson, Southern Cal, Michigan, Auburn, and LSU. You know that won't last. Some of them have room for 8-10 more commits. South Carolina and Kentucky probably will pass us, as may Baylor and Louisville. We only have a realistic shot of catching two above us, Va Tech and TCU. The latter isn't likely. We are just going to have to be satisfied in pulling in our best class in years, maybe ever. We are getting better, but so is everyone else. With power 5 money comes power 5 recruiting. The talent gap between the p5 and g5 continues to widen drastically.

I'm guessing we have 4-5 spots left. One goes to LB Zakoby McClain if and when he commits. One goes to a CB (Jeremy Webb, Taymon Cooke, or Keith Washington). One goes to an offensive lineman (Luke Tenuta, Reuben Lewis, or one of the tackles from Georgia), and one or two to a WR (Dillon Spalding from Va has visited and is announcing his top two tonight, and we are gaining some traction; and Joseph Scates is still out there). It will be interesting to see how the staff closes this class down the stretch. Oh yeah, and hang on to Leddie Brown!

Posted on: 11/1 7:31 am
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Kwantel Raines is in the house! He is commitment number 19 and the heir apparent to Kyzir White. He becomes the sixth WVU commit with a 4-star rating in at least one recruiting service. This class is going to be special. Kudos to the staff. They aren't done yet. Zakoby McClain on deck!

Posted on: 10/30 6:59 pm
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Re: Game Nine (vs 1st place Iowa State👍)
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wvmtneer hit the nail on the head. ISU is experienced and seasoned. How many guys on the WVU 2-deep are beyond their second season in Morgantown? Answer: 12 out of 46 (White, Jennings, Rogers, Wellman. Bosch, Lingafelter, Lewis, Benton, Christian, Preston, Askew-Henry, and Gross). I don't count half of a quarter for Cajuste as a whole season. And of that group, only Gross, Benton, Christian, Preston, Lewis, Lingafelter, and Wellman - that mankes 7 - are true or redshirt seniors in their 4th year of playing WVU football. All the rest transferred in at some point.

Consider the number of true and redshirt freshmen and sophomores making considerable contributions as well (Simms, McKoy, J. Sills, Jones, McKivitz, Wickline, Shuler, Donahue, McDougle, Stills, Long, Tonkery, Robinson, Stewart, Pitts). The starting O- and D-linemen are Jr (experience-wise Cajuste is a Soph), Fr, Soph, Sr, Soph, Soph, Fr, Soph. Every really good team WVU has had in the past 30 years has been dominated by RS-Jr and Srs on the lines. These guys just need to play more. In 1-2 more years, they are going to be scary good,especially with the 2018 recruiting class coming in.

The coaches are rebuilding. We wish that were not the case, but it is. OSU will lose a lot after this year. So will ISU. They will rebuild next year and have to face us as the team with experience.

Posted on: 10/30 4:41 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Kwantel Raines is set to announce his commitment Monday night in Aliquippa. Virtually all the experts are calling this for WVU. Should he commit, he will make 19 in the class and a huge get for us. He looks like Kyzir White 2.0.

One LB (Zakoby McClain, it looks like for now) and one CB (Jeremy Webb is option A, Taymon Cooke is option B) will likely finish the defense. The offense would like a tackle (Luke Tenuta, Josh Ezeudu, or a couple more options) and at least one WR (Joseph Scates, Dillon Spalding, and a few other options). That will probably just about do it. There are 20 scholarships available now (perhaps 21 if Billy Kinney goes back to walk on). If all of the above commit, that makes 23 in the class. Where does the attrition lie? Transfers already count toward present scholarships, but i listed them as newcomers t othe active roster.

QB: We gain two (transfer Allison and Lowe) and possibly lose one (Grier to early entry). No other attrition expected.

RB: Gain one (Brown), lose one (Crawford). As planned.

TE/HB/FB: Lose one (Wellman), gain three (transfer Haskins, O'laughlin, Banks). Planned attention to that area.

WR: Lose two (White and Marenco), maybe one more (Sills to early entry), gain 4-6 (transfer Simmons, James, Wheaton, Fields, 1-2 more recruits possible). Attrition possible here, given a couple of would-be seniors with little playing time (Crest, Rogers).

OL: Lose 2 (Bosch, Lingafelter), gain 3-4 (Uzebu, Mays, Scott, maybe 1 more). May have a little attrition, but doubtful.

DL: Lose 2 (Pegues, Lewis), gain 4 (Stills, Williams, Allen, Gmiter). More possible attrition as Fields, Wolfley,and Pooler have already been jumped by true freshmen this year, with more talent coming next year.

LB: Lose 3 (Benton, Preston, Christian), gain 3 (Chandler, Benton, maybe McClain). Doubtful there is any attrition.

CB: Lose 3 (Battle, Daniels, Winfield), gain 3 (Rogers, Norwood, one more). Again, not likely to be attrition, though true freshman Robinson has jumped several older players and the two signed so far seem good too)

S: Lose 3 (White, Commodore and Gross), likely gain Raines. Signed a bunch of safeties last year. No worries.

ST: Lose 2 (Molina, Meadows the long snapper), gain 1 (transfer Simcox). Still ok.

That is just recruiting. I think we can expect good work from the staff in working transfers. The track record is excellent in recent years.

Posted on: 10/27 12:28 am
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Forgot to say that we have the number 21 class right now per Rivals.

Posted on: 10/19 9:24 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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2 up and 2 down for WVU in recruiting.

Big ups: TE T. J. Banks and OG Blaine Scott. Banks is a 4-star on Rivals. Scott is a 4-star on Scout. Both were expected to commit. Banks is from outside Pittsburgh and Scott is from southern Ohio.

Downs: WR Ralph Davis and TE T. J. Ivy are no longer committed. I assume three TEs were too many and Banks and O'Laughlin are in the plans going forward. Not sure what happened with Davis. We definitely need another WR now.

Coming up is Kwantel Raines, who commits a week from Monday. Almost every expert is picking WVU on this one. He has been consistently in the top two on the WVU wish list from the beginning (along with Dante Stills). Big props to the staff if they land them both.

Zakoby McClain is still out there, as is Luke Tenuta, though he is leaning to Va Tech. Taymon Cooke is still there as well. Good class got better. Stay tuned.

Posted on: 10/19 7:28 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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We picked up the JUCO CB Josh Norwood today. He is from Valdosta, Ga. originally, the home of future WVU CB Jayce Rogers and potential future WVU LB Zakoby McClain. He originally signed with Ohio State in the class of 15, redshirted, played one year, thn transferred to junior college. He has two years to play two. That brings the class total to 18 so far, with two of them being JUCOs.

It looks like Jeremy Webb is heading to Blacksburg. Taymon Cooke is still in the picture at CB as well. Zakoby McClain is holding steady, as is Kwantel Raines. Raines is set to announce two weeks from Monday, right after his official for the Ok State game.

On offense, TJ Banks, the TE from Western Pa., is set to announce Wednesday. A handful of linemen are still in the land of mutual interest, most notably Blaine Scott. I have to think we take two. A WR would then likely close the class. Scates is the biggest fish still out there with high interest.

If we can grab all those leaning hard our way and keep the ones we got, this can be the best class in many years, and if they all make it to campus, potentially the best ever. I like that it is dominated by high schoolers. JUCOs make up for mistakes 2-3 years past.

Posted on: 10/12 7:20 pm
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Re: Rest of the season outlook
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I think WVU is likely more talented this year than in years past. The one thing lacking is experience, especially in the system. We only have 12 players in the offensive and defensive 2-deep who have more than 2 years' experience playing at WVU. That is barely over one quarter of the two-deep. Consider, with years playing at WVU in parentheses:

Off. Backfield: Grier (1), Chugunov (2), Crawford (2), McKoy (2), Wellman (4), Wesco (2); total - 13 (lost 6 from last year in Howard and Shell)

Receivers: White (3), Jennings (3), Simms (2), Sills (2), Roberson (1), Rogers (3); total - 14 (lost 11 from last year in Gibson, Mathis, and Shorts)

O-Line: Cajuste (2 - I won't count a full season for half a quarter against Missouri), Bosch (3), Jones (2), Sills (1), McKivitz (2), Wickline (1), Lingafelter (4), Raulerson (1), Hardy (1), Behrndt (1); total - 18 (lost 15 from last year in Orlosky, Pankey, Matteo, and Lazard)

Def. Line: Donahue (2), McDougle (1), Shuler (2), Rose (1), Pegues (2), Lewis (4); total - 12 (lost 12 from last year in Nwachukwu, Brown, and Howard)

Linebackers: Benton (4), Preston (4), Long (2), Tonkery (1), Qualls (1), Christian (4); total - 16 (lost 8 from last year in Arndt and Walters)

DBs: Robinson (1), Daniels (2), Askew-Henry (3), Avery (2), White (2), Bailey (1), Battle (2), Stewart (2), Gross (4), Pitts (1); total - 20 (lost 16 from last year in Douglas, Kyremeh, Tyler, Harper, Fleming, Crawford)

The 2-deep on D is on average well under 2 years in the system. The 2-deep on O is very slightly above 2 years in the system.

There is no substitute for experience when these guys are 18,19, 20 years old.

Posted on: 10/11 11:33 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Yes. If.

Posted on: 10/7 8:34 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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We are coming down the homestretch in the recruiting season. We picked up the LB Benton (Two more years with a LB named Benton) last weekend. That was the first JUCO commit out of 17 recruits, meaning that the coaching staff believes there are few immediate needs.

We are still actively pursuing a couple of JUCOs, the CB Jeremy Webb (a new Rivals 4-star) from NY and an offensive tackle from AZ. An OG from MS (Damien Lewis) has us high on his list.

For high schoolers, Kwantel Raines has scheduled his official visit for the Ok State game. He will commit the Monday after. That is a good sign for us. The Ok State game is probably our biggest home game on the schedule this year. All seems quiet on the fronts of Blaine Scott and Zakoby McClain. I think Scott may have scheduled his official too. TJ Banks recently visited UCF, but all signs still point to us. All 4 of them are looking more solid toward us with each passing day.

I have to think McClain, Raines, and Webb would finish the defense. Cooke may be plan B at CB if we don't get Webb. Scott and one more lineman (the JUCO, Goss, Ezeudu, Tenuta), along with Banks would probably get the offense close to done too. They might shoot for one more WR. If we get all of those guys, then we would have 8 guys with 4-stars in one recruiting service or another (Stills, Brown, Lowe, Raines, McClain, Webb, Scott, Banks). Joseph Scates still has us in his final 2. He would make another, but I don't hear much from the WVU side about him. If they all get to campus, that would be our best recruiting class in the star-era, hands down, at least on paper.

Posted on: 10/6 8:28 am
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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In his press conference on Tuesday, Coach Holgorsen said they are looking to take about 25 recruits in this class. As far as scholarship numbers are right now, there are 64 players currently on scholarship eligible to return for the 2018 season. We have one promised transfer (the kicker Simcox from WKU) and 16 verbal commitments to the 2018 class. By my math, that would leave only 4 scholarsips to be claimed, yet the coach is looking for about 8-9 more bodies.

Now we have some idea of how much attrition will be present. I have an inkling that even more attrition is coming. Some of the reserves, especially on defense, are not coming along as planned. That true freshman Kenny Robinson is the best option at cornerback (and I think he will be very, very good, by the way) says a lot about the older guys he starts over (Battle, Winfield, Bailey, Davis, Williams, Adams, all of whom are at RS-Soph or above). Same for Lamonte McDougle who has probably been our most disruptive D-lineman. I can also think of another D-lineman or two that is buried on the bench, and the general lack of confidence in any LBs outside of the starters. Some of these guys might find themselves replaced by some of next year's incoming freshmen.

Our recruiting is getting better. The new guys for 2018 are going to push for playing time. Some guys currently on the roster may find themselves strongly encouraged to transfer.

Posted on: 9/28 10:02 am
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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I think peelwvu is right. We did offer a Georgia RB for 2019. I don't think we have extended a 2018 offer for some time. That may change soon with JUCO season coming. I see where one of our top CB prospects Jeremy Webb (JUCO) was given a 4-star rating by Rivals. That's yet another 4-star on the short list. It's between us, VPI, UCF, and Ole Miss right now for him.

The insiders for McClain's main interests, Auburn and LSU, both have him going to us. Scott is almost unanimous for us now and Banks has been unanimous for us for months. With so few spots available right now, it will be interesting. I think Banks is committing in three weeks or so, or at least he is scheduled to.

Needs seem to be OLB, OL (guard and/or tackle), spur, and CB (Hence McClain, Scott, Raines, Webb). I see a lot of interest still in another WR, so maybe one or more of the WRs in this class projects at another position. I agree that I have a hard time seeing those two kids from New Orleans (both from Tevin Bush's HS) sticking with Kansas. It might happen, but KU is so far from being truly competitive week in and week out. They played pretty well against us, but lost to two MAC teams before us. You are not good if you go 0-2 vs. the MAC. We will just have to wait and see.

Posted on: 9/25 8:37 pm
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Re: Game Three
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A lot to like today. My biggest takeaways:

1. Freshmen - Kenny Robinson will be the solution at boundary CB. He will experiencea a few growing pains, but he could be at an all-conference level in a year or two. Tonkery settled down after blowing the coverage and recorded a solid game. Pitts got a lot of PT for the injured Avery. McDougle recovered a fumble and was very disruptive in the middle. Bush played well in mop up duty. Roberson caught his first TD. Josh Sills again played well at guard. Ferns was making every play on special teams. The long-term future is bright, especially on defense.

2. Experience - hadn't thought about it before, but of all the players in the 2-deep on O and D, only Wellman, White, Jennings, Rogers, Bosch, Lewis, Benton, Christian, Preston, Gross, and Askew-Henry are in their 3rd or 4th year of playing at WVU (not counting Cajuste, because one of his years was half a quarter against Missouri). That means 33 of 44 players are in their 1st or 2nd year playing at WVU. These guys need experience and time to gel. The more live reps the better.

3. No significant injuries that I know of.

4. They shook off some lackadaisical play and got it in gear before halftime. They didn't need the coaches screaming at them in the locker room. They righted the ship before then.

5. Special teams forced a turnover and did not cost us.

6. Another experience builder next week. Kansas is awful. Then a bye to bring it all together before the trip to Ft. Worth. VPI is much better than TCU in my opinion.

I know we all wanted a 100-0 win today, but I think the day was successful. This team gets better as they play more. Reminds me a lot of '05.

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Re: Game Three
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That drive was 2 true freshmen, Bush and Roberson. The young kids can play.

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Re: Game Three
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I really like Robinson. He stayed home. That kid might still be running if Robinson doesn't stay disciplined. 4 freshmen getting big first- or almost first-team reps on D today: Robinson, McDougle, Pitts, Tonkery.

Posted on: 9/16 1:43 pm
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Re: Game Three
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Hopefully that does it for the starters on offense. Nice, grind it out, smash mouth drive. Now let's get the twos some quality reps.

Posted on: 9/16 1:33 pm
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Re: Game Three
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I like what I saw the second half of the second quarter. The team turned around their effort and intensity without the halftime break. I think that is a big plus.

The toughest opponent today is ourselves, not Delaware State.

The run game is there all the time. Need as many reps as possible on all three sides.

Special teams are holding their own. One forced turnover and an 80-yard KO return. Can't complain there.

I thought Kenny Robinson has played very well. He will make freshman mistakes, but he is gonna be really good at corner. He has a higher upside than all the guys he replaced. The last guy good enough to play corner as a freshman now starts for the Panthers on Sundays.

Posted on: 9/16 1:02 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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We are down to 4 recruiting slots left. WVU has added a transfer kicker from Western Kentucky, Skyler Simcox. He was a Lou Groza Award semifinalist before leaving WKU. He will enroll in January and be eligible next year, with a total of two years left. He will compete for both kicking and kickoffs.

The talk is heating up that Grier is one and done. It's likely, given his age, family status, and the potential for an NFL career. That would raise the total to five. Too early to be guessing attrition at the moment, but I am sure the coaching staff has an eye on it. Right now, there are more potential recruits than slots to hold them.

4 slots: one for McClain, one for Scott, one for Banks, one for Raines. If any of these are not coming, it opens up some space for the next tier: Cooke, Webb, Tenuta, Miller, a WR (Scates maybe? The new offer from IMG maybe?),a JUCO tackle, ??? Another transfer or two??? We'll have to wait and see.

Posted on: 9/15 11:00 pm
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