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Re: Game Three
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A lot to like today. My biggest takeaways:

1. Freshmen - Kenny Robinson will be the solution at boundary CB. He will experiencea a few growing pains, but he could be at an all-conference level in a year or two. Tonkery settled down after blowing the coverage and recorded a solid game. Pitts got a lot of PT for the injured Avery. McDougle recovered a fumble and was very disruptive in the middle. Bush played well in mop up duty. Roberson caught his first TD. Josh Sills again played well at guard. Ferns was making every play on special teams. The long-term future is bright, especially on defense.

2. Experience - hadn't thought about it before, but of all the players in the 2-deep on O and D, only Wellman, White, Jennings, Rogers, Bosch, Lewis, Benton, Christian, Preston, Gross, and Askew-Henry are in their 3rd or 4th year of playing at WVU (not counting Cajuste, because one of his years was half a quarter against Missouri). That means 33 of 44 players are in their 1st or 2nd year playing at WVU. These guys need experience and time to gel. The more live reps the better.

3. No significant injuries that I know of.

4. They shook off some lackadaisical play and got it in gear before halftime. They didn't need the coaches screaming at them in the locker room. They righted the ship before then.

5. Special teams forced a turnover and did not cost us.

6. Another experience builder next week. Kansas is awful. Then a bye to bring it all together before the trip to Ft. Worth. VPI is much better than TCU in my opinion.

I know we all wanted a 100-0 win today, but I think the day was successful. This team gets better as they play more. Reminds me a lot of '05.

Posted on: 9/16 4:09 pm
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Re: Game Three
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That drive was 2 true freshmen, Bush and Roberson. The young kids can play.

Posted on: 9/16 2:04 pm
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Re: Game Three
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I really like Robinson. He stayed home. That kid might still be running if Robinson doesn't stay disciplined. 4 freshmen getting big first- or almost first-team reps on D today: Robinson, McDougle, Pitts, Tonkery.

Posted on: 9/16 1:43 pm
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Re: Game Three
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Hopefully that does it for the starters on offense. Nice, grind it out, smash mouth drive. Now let's get the twos some quality reps.

Posted on: 9/16 1:33 pm
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Re: Game Three
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I like what I saw the second half of the second quarter. The team turned around their effort and intensity without the halftime break. I think that is a big plus.

The toughest opponent today is ourselves, not Delaware State.

The run game is there all the time. Need as many reps as possible on all three sides.

Special teams are holding their own. One forced turnover and an 80-yard KO return. Can't complain there.

I thought Kenny Robinson has played very well. He will make freshman mistakes, but he is gonna be really good at corner. He has a higher upside than all the guys he replaced. The last guy good enough to play corner as a freshman now starts for the Panthers on Sundays.

Posted on: 9/16 1:02 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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We are down to 4 recruiting slots left. WVU has added a transfer kicker from Western Kentucky, Skyler Simcox. He was a Lou Groza Award semifinalist before leaving WKU. He will enroll in January and be eligible next year, with a total of two years left. He will compete for both kicking and kickoffs.

The talk is heating up that Grier is one and done. It's likely, given his age, family status, and the potential for an NFL career. That would raise the total to five. Too early to be guessing attrition at the moment, but I am sure the coaching staff has an eye on it. Right now, there are more potential recruits than slots to hold them.

4 slots: one for McClain, one for Scott, one for Banks, one for Raines. If any of these are not coming, it opens up some space for the next tier: Cooke, Webb, Tenuta, Miller, a WR (Scates maybe? The new offer from IMG maybe?),a JUCO tackle, ??? Another transfer or two??? We'll have to wait and see.

Posted on: 9/15 11:00 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Good to see some action back on this thread. Right now, there are 5 spots left. I think there will be more. I see some attrition in the future. There are some guys who are having trouble cracking the rotation right now (I'm thinking of about 4 guys who are sitting behind younger guys who are playing. I don't want to name names but we can figure it out.). There are still 2-3 who might declare (Grier, and Askew-Henry and Cajuste are less likely)

5 spots left

1. Zakoby McClain - looks like a real keeper at OLB or spur. 4 star.

2. Blaine Scott - like McClain had a good visit for the ECU game. 3 or 4 star OG

3. TJ Banks - he said it is down to us and Temple. I can't think we lose that matchup unless we are just completely full at where he can play, which seems to be multiple positions. 3 or 4 star DE, TE, ATH

4. Kwantel Raines - built for the spur. Still have a shot. Consensus 4 star

5. Joseph Scates - his two favorites are us and Bama. Bama is looking strong for the second WR in their class, Waddle. There may not be room in Tuscaloosa for Scates. Is there room in Morgantown? 4-star

BTW, anyone remember this many 4-stars seriously in play this late in the recruiting season for us?

6. An offensive tackle - Luke Tenuta has been high on the list, but there are many JUCOs out there. Right now we are thin there. Taking two in this class would help depth down the road, since we only lose Cajuste over the next 2 years.

7. A cornerback or two - 3 of the top 4 in the depth chart are seniors. We already have Rogers. The JUCO Webb plans to visit, and the kid from the other Bluefield, Cooke, has been high on us for a while.

A good season on the field is the best prescription for a good finish to the class. I like this class a lot. Add these guys and it will be a historic class for us.

Posted on: 9/11 11:40 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Yura was 1998. I remember going to Wheeling Island Stadium and watching his Mohigans take on J.R. House and Nitro HS for the AAA state title in Dec 97. Great game. House was phenomenal. Stayed for the A game and watched Valley Wetzel take a beating from Moorefield, I think (or was it C-K?). VW went to the title game and lost 3 or 4 years in a row. Tom West and that full-house backfield. I knew a lot of people in Pine Grove in those days.

Jenkins wasn't rated as high as Dante Stills in the 247 composite. Barrett was higher. Since the 247 rankings started, Stills is the 7th highest rated recruit (behind Devine, Gwaltney, Barrett, McCartney, Geno, And Bruce Irvin). 3 greats and 3 busts on that list.

Posted on: 8/24 9:16 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Dante Stills is in!

He is such a huge get for us. He is the highest ranked player from northern WV since probably Chris Yura (remember him?).

i have to think the staff is done on the DL. This will prove to be quite a haul 4-5 years from now. All 4 of them have the ability to excel. Combine this group with the young linemen there already (Shuler, Donahue, McDougle, Darius Stills) the young LBs (Long, Hensley, Tonkery, Ferns, Sandwisch), and the young studs in the secondary (CBs Bailey, Davis, Long, Mahone, Adams X 2 and Safeties Stewart, Robinson, and Pitts) and this defense looks REALLY scary in 2-3 years.

Who is left to fill the 5 remaining slots?

1. Kwantel Raines - it's going to come down to us and Pitt. He would make the perfect spur safety. Can you imagine him, Pitts at bandit, and Robinson at free for 2-3 years? There are a number of JUCO safeties coming onto the radar as a plausible plan B if Raines chooses to stay home.

2. An interior OL - we are losing two to graduation, and Mays is already committed. I'm thinking Blaine Scott, but the staff may go JUCO. They may do both.

3. A CB. Three are graduating. There are several good young corners, so WVU may decide to do a grad transfer, a JUCO (several are on the radar, most notably Jeremy Webb), or a HS player (Donte Burton or Taymon Cooke).

4. A LB - maybe. There is one commit (Chandler) and we lose three to graduation. There may be plans to beef up 1-2 of the RS Freshman safeties (Loe and/or Smith). I don't know. There are good interested LBs out there and if Asamoah or Miller say yes, I doubt the staff would say no.

5. ??? A tackle, a WR (Joseph Scates is very interested), a hybrid (TJ Banks), a transfer, a second interior lineman? Any combination of the above would be possible. It's nice to have options and a lot of yong talent already on the roster. That way, they can bring along some of these guys without throwing them to the wolves too early (see the 2013 defense).

I have to think QB, RB, TE, and the DL are done. No specialists are getting scholarships either. It's really nice to have options.

Posted on: 8/24 2:03 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Yes, you are right. Hardy is on the roster now.

I saw on the WV Sports.com site that WVU used some of its scholarship openings to reward some seniors for scholarships. Nick Meadows, Shane Commodore, and Alejandro Marenco were allput on scholarship. Since this is their last year, it does not have any bearing on recruiting. One move that does matter though, is that junior punter Billy Kinney is now on scholarship. I'm happy for him and he deserves it. He is a good punter. I would assume he will stay on scholarship this year and next.

With Durante's departure and the scholarship additions of Hardy and Kinney, there are 64 players on scholarship eligible to return for 2018. That means there are 21 recruiting slots open and 15 are filled.

Six to go. Make that five after Thursday. It's unthinkable that Dante Stills won't commit to WVU, since he is announcing at a HS pep rally in Fairmont. If he would do otherwise, talk about a pep rally killer! My gut tells me that 99% of Polar Bear fan are also WVU fans. He wouldn't do that to them. Not there. Not then.

Once he commits, this will be the best DL group in recent memory, maybe for generations. Stills is legit. I think the kid from Ohio (Williams) will be special. Gmiter is the second coming of Chris Nield - the big nose tackle that eats up blockers. Tyrese Allen will be good too. Those last three guys I think are very, very underrated. We have been forced to play the odd stack defense due to lack of presence on the D-line. That is changing big time with last year's class and this year. Maybe more multiple looks are in the future mix. Headed in the right direction.

Posted on: 8/22 5:09 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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It looks like Rob Dowdy left due to injuries. I think I read his back was too bad to play. I feel bad for him, because he hadn't really gotten his chance yet. Hopefully he can finish his degree and go pro in the profession of his choice.

I have not heard that Isaiah Hardy made it to campus. He is not listed on the official roster as of today. At the start of camp, WVU had 67 players either in town or expected to arrive who would still be eligible next year. That number has been reduced by 4 (Hardy, Dowdy, Maverick Wolfley, Jah'Shaun Seider). It may be reduced by two more depending on off-field circumstances (Marcus Simms and Jovon Durante). Now, by my count there are 63 (possibly 61) active players who are eligible to return next year.

That means there are a minimum of 22 scholarships available. 15 are spoken for so far. Where do the other seven go?

1. If Hardy does arrive (or has), he is one.

2. Dante Stills. This young man has been a Mountaineer since the day he was born. His spot is reserved.

3. Kwantel Raines. It's us and Pitt. It might be us. It might even be a close race. Too soon to tell, but if he says yes, his spot is reserved also.

4. and 5. I would say there is room for two more offensive linemen, since 3 of the 4 lost were OL. Blaine Scott has us as a clear fromt runner. I think Josh Ezeudu from GA has reopened his recruitment. Several JUCO guys are in the works too, as is Luke Tenuta from VA. I think if Hardy does not arrive, they might take 3 linemen, but 2 at the least.

6. A cornerback. WVU loses 3 to graduation this year and only has one verbal at CB. So far, Taymon Cooke and Jeremy Webb seem to be the frontrunners, but Donte Burton from GA might enter the mix.

7. Who knows? They might be, as was mentioned upthread, beefing up Smith and Loe for LB spots. They may not need a LB as badly as I once thought. Joseph Scates is a 4-star WR from OH that has us and Bama as his frontrunners. He might be in the mix as insurance against Durante and Simms. TJ Banks from PA likes us too. So do a couple of LBs. JUCO season is heating up, and then there is the possibility of keeping a couple of these slots open for transfers.

Hope we keep the guys we have. It looks like a good group so far. Tavis Lee is intriguing, but might be a preferred walk on unless he blows up his senior year. Thoughts?

Posted on: 8/18 5:10 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Well, it looks like another spot has opened up on the roster. Jahshaun Seider is no longer on the team. With his departure and the recruit pledges, that leaves six slots to fill.

Maybe that will allow for two more offensive linemen to commit. Right now Scott, Ezeudu, and Tenuta seem to be the leading candidates. Let's hope they are able to get two of them.

Posted on: 8/1 8:09 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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It's been a busy week with recruiting and starting fall camp. WVU right now has 65 scholarship players in camp eligible to return for 2018 (Added Isreal, subtracted M. Wolfley). Hardy is supposed to arrive mid-August, which will push the total to 66, which means there are 19 open slots for 2018.

With Uzebu and Mays coming aboard via verbal commitments, the commit list is at 14, which means that there are five slots left. Again, there may be attrition down the road that we can't forsee, but who gets the five slots?

1. Dante Stills

2. Blaine Scott or Joshua Ezeudu

3. Kwantel Raines, though he may stay home at Pitt

4. a CB???? (Cooke from Bluefield and the JUCO Webb seem to be the most interested if they go with a CB)

5. a LB???? (Asamoah is interested, McClain looks like SEC material, but one of last year's numerous safeties could be beefing up to LB, a la Dylan Tonkery)


Ezeudu has not been to campus and the staff won't take a commit without a visit (which I think is very smart, btw).


There are also a handful of players really interested in WVU who do not fit neatly into the above slots. The Tenuta kid from Va, TJ Banks from Pa, and the big receiver Taylor from Ohio all are very interested and are intriguing prospects (big bodies, varied skill sets). We shall see. Thoughts??

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Both of the Whites exhaust their eligibility this fall. Dravon might leave early (he is eligible to return for 2018) if he has a good year and a good NFL scouting report, which he should. Grier may be one-and-done with a big year. That would open up two recruiting spots, and maybe those two could be the leverage for transfers.

I also find it interesting that this class will have fewer JUCOs and transfers in it. All 12 verbals so far have been high schoolers with a good chance for 3-6 more high schoolers when all said and done. There are only a couple of JUCO guys with mutual interest right now, but to be fair, the JUCO recruting season is early in the game.

Posted on: 7/23 9:04 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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The 2018 class is filling up fast. By my count, if Hardy and Isreal (the last two 2017 signees still not yet on campus) arrive, WVU will have 67 scholarship players in 2017 eligible to return for the 2018 season. Not allowing for attrition (and there will likely be some), that only leaves 18 scholarships for 2018 recruits. Rogers was number 12. That means there are six slots left as of now.

Who will fill those six slots?

Stills obviously has a slot should he decide to commit.

So does Aliquippa's Kwantel Raines I would think.

WVU needs a couple of OL recruits, preferably tackles, as they lost both Angus and Lazard there.

Another CB would be on the radar, I would think, since we lose Battle, Daniels, and Winfield after this season.

That's 5, best case scenario. Will the staff save a couple of slots for transfers as they have the past few years?

The 2018 recruiting season may be quickly winding down. Thoughts??

Posted on: 7/22 10:06 pm
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Re: Signing Day
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I agree with jameschi too. I actually see the Power 5 naturally splitting into about 4 tiers, with only year-to-year minor movement among the tiers. The Tier 1 teams will remain Tier 1 year in and year out, even through some will experience down times. They always rebound. They are the historic blue chip college teams (Florida State, Clemson, Florida, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and UCLA). I would predict, however, that Notre Dame is perilously close to slipping to tier 2, because of their stubborn refusal to completely identify with a conference.

Tier 2 can challenge for a national title occasionally, but they will never be consistently Tier 1. These can include Oregon, Stanford, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, and Miami. Michigan State looks to be slipping down into tier 3 with the re-emergence of Michigan.

Tier 4 are the bottom feeders that will never challlenge no matter what. They include Vanderbilt, Kansas, Iowa State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, Indiana, Purdue, and Rutgers. They may have an occasional good year, but will never seriously challenge for a conference, let alone national title.

Everyone else, including us, is Tier 3. Washington, Louisville, and Oklahoma State seem to be the top of the tier right now, but all of that will change from season to season. A tier 3 can have a really good year and very occasionally challenge (Washington), but generally not.

By the way, the Tier 1s finished 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 15, 16, 20, and 26 in the 24/7 recruiting rankings.

Tier 2s finished 3, 9, 13, 14, 17, 19, 23, 36, and 39.

Texas A & M and Maryland were the only ones not in tier 1 and 2 in the top 20 recruiting classes.

The rich will keep getting richer and widen the gap. If a kid wants to play for a national title, he should go tier 1, if he can. The BCS system was better for schools like WVU by far.

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Re: Polls this week
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I know the meat of our schedule lies ahead, but as far as the last 4 years go, it may not.

Consider, coming into 2016, we were a combined 3-9 in Big 12 play vs. KSU, TTU, and TCU.

The next 6 teams on the schedule we are an even 12-12 against in the last 4 years in conference play. The only losing conference record we have remaining is OU (0-4). We've played well against the other 5 over the past 4 seasons, We've won at every road venue left (Stillwater, Austin, Ames).

We COULD have a winning conference record against every Big 12 team (except KSU, TCU and OU) by years' end. That would be pretty impressive in my book, and shows how far we have come since hitting bottom in 2012-13.

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Re: In-state recruiting (merged threads)
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I'm starting to get a little worried about WVU recruiting in-state kids this year. In past years, they have done a good job, but there is a lot of D-1 talent in WV high school football this year.

I just read where Gerrik Vollmer, an offensive tackle from Philip Barbour committed to Louisville. Once Ross goes presumably to UNC, that will make 4 OTs from WV in P5 programs:

Ross - likely UNC
Locklear - Tennessee
Stewart - LSU
Vollmer - Louisville

Vollmer is the first kid from PBHS to go big time since Steve Redd (DL for WVU late 80s early 90s), I think. He's also the first kid from the Big 10 not named Tonkery to go since Travis Garrett if memory serves me correctly. You know WV HS football is good when Big 10 kids are going big time.

The elder Stills (FSHS) is still available. He will make two Big 10 kids when he commits in Sept.

Also, South Charleston's Laurence Cunningham was offered by Penn State.

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Re: Karl Joseph
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I see why Worley left early. He just went to Carolina in round 3. 14th pick in the 3rd round! That's two in the top 3 rounds!

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Re: Karl Joseph
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Not only has WVU had a first-rounder in 4 of the last 5 years, WVU has had the first player selected from its conference in three of those years:

2012 Bruce Irvin (first Big East player)
2013 Tavon Austin (second Big-12 player)
2015 Kevin White (first Big-12 player)
2016 Karl Joseph (first Big-12 player)

That says something about the quality of player and player development. Neither White nor Joseph were blue-chippers. Irvin and White were both JUCO. Holgorsen has as many first rounders as Nehlen (3), Rodriguez (1), and Bowden (0 at WVU) combined.

To put it in historical perspective, before Irvin, the only Mountaineers drafted in the first round were:

Adam Jones (2005)
Anthony Becht (2000)
Renaldo Turnbull (1990)
Brian Jozwiak (1986)
Dick Leftridge (1966)
Chuck Howley (1958)
Joe Marconi (1956)
Joe Stydahar (1936)

These are unprecedented times for top-tier NFL draftees coming out of Morgantown. With the talent on the roster now, it may well continue.

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