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Re: Dangerous Donald
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Stanley, come on man. Here is an 8 minute video of Trump disavowing David Duke and the KKK over and over again and again and again.

https://youtu.be/DeK-f3_7Wv4

Context matters. He completely lied about not knowing who David Duke was. The disavowals came after there was a huge uproar. Why do you think he lied to begin with? And why don't you care that he did so?


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Also, please refrain from using factcheck.org in the future. Very biased. Factcheck, snopes, and politifact are all tied to the Clinton Foundation.

https://youtu.be/yhfHqWU8q-E


Are you suggesting that he didn't claim to not know who David Duke was? I mean it's really really easy to see that he did. It's on video. That is a fact. Why try to mask actual, verifiable facts with posts like this? It's incredibly disingenuous.

And no comment on the Putin stuff? The right no longer believes in the shining light on the hill view of America? Now we're just like Putin?

Posted on: 9/30/2017 10:18 pm
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Re: What is Divisive???
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BTW - the reason they are taking a knee is out of respect to the military. If you remember CK originally sat during the anthem to protest racial disparity. Then, a former green beret wrote an article about his form of protest, and CK asked to meet with him to hear the green beret's views. The green beret recommended he kneel so that he could both protest racial disparity without being disrespectful. He likened kneeling as a form of showing honor, and based it on how the honor guard kneels to present the flag to the family of a fallen soldier. (FWIW - the honor guard presented the flag in that fashion to my mother after my father passed). CK actually listened to the green beret and modified his form of protest to honor members of the military.


Ah interesting. I had noticed the change from sitting to kneeling but didn't know why. Certainly adds context. Thanks for sharing that.

Posted on: 9/30/2017 11:47 am
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Re: Dangerous Donald
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Only thing that's changed in 18 years is hillary now doesn't return the checks


I think the article about Trump from the newspaper you image you posted is more interesting and relevant than the message about Clinton that you seem to be oddly focused on. Look at the Trump blurb. It talks about how he considered running on the Reform Party. Do you know why he didn't? He didn't want to be associated with Pat Buchanan and David Duke. He called Duke "a racist, bigot, a problem". Flash forward to 2016 and he claims to know nothing about Duke. How can those on the right ignore this? He is either incapable of remembering this (which would be a huge concern for someone in the presidency) or is telling a bald faced lie to avoid rejecting racism.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

Second, in 1999 he attacks Castro as a killer. In 2015 and then again in 2017, instead of calling out Putin as a killer, he defends him by calling him a strong leader and saying that the US kills people too. It not only makes you wonder why he's so hesitant to criticize Putin when he's so willing to do so with other leaders doesn't it? And he's not exactly painting American as a shining light on the hill is he? It's pretty funny that many of the same people defending Trump are those that lost their minds when Obama didn't wear a flag pin on his lapel.



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Posted on: 9/30/2017 11:44 am
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Re: What is Divisive???
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An article looking for solutions to the anthem protests: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... n-to-the-anthem-protests/

My question is why not just stop playing the anthem at games all together? Everything else is a bandaid that won't last. If you want separation between sports and politics then stop injecting politics into it by injecting the flag and anthem and tributes and military planes flying over and all the other stuff. What does any of that have to do with football? There are much better ways to honor veterans than this.

Posted on: 9/26/2017 9:39 am
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Re: GAME 4 OPPONENT GAMEDAY THREAD
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Watching WVU sports.... Just when you think you can relax.......WHAM!!!!! Right in the 'nads.


That statement sums up being a WVU fan better than any I've heard.

Posted on: 9/26/2017 1:21 am
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Re: What is Divisive???
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I think it's disrespectful of the flag and the veterans to pay millions of dollars to a sports organization to make saluting the flag look cool.


$53 million as of 2015

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nati ... says/stories/201511060140



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Re: What is Divisive???
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So its okay to **** on Tim Tebow for praying to God but its not okay to get mad when a bunch of privileged brain damaged morons **** on the flag, and national anthem and all the freedoms they represent. We don't care about your politics or what you have to say. We never have. And we never will. We do, however, care about how fast you run and how well you can throw and catch a ball. At the most, you are a form of entertainment to paying American people. Keep shitting on them and what they believe in while screaming "freedom of speech". You just want attention.

To the league that won't let players wear 9/11 memorials on their cleats or helmets, to the league that won't let the Dallas cowboys wear memorial stickers on their helmets for the cops that were killed by thugs simply because they were police officers doing their job, to the league that keeps a blind eye to it's players that beat the FUCK out of women, children, dogs, cops, murdering pedestrians while drunk, murdering people and getting away with it, dealing cocaine to kids, and all other crime these thugs do, and let's them stay in the league with bare minimum punishments, but will gladly let those idiot thugs **** on the United States military, the United States citizens and the freedom those brave men and women fought for so those thugs can make millions of dollars playing a kids game I say this: go FUCK yourself you spoiled rotten bunch of ****. Don't like America or the freedoms she gives You? Get the FUCK out.


Your views here are a perfect example of why I have issues with the right. Or more accurately, a significant and sadly increasing part of the right. You have argued often on here recently about the right to free speech. Go back and look through the Charlottesville threads. You argue there that the KKK and Nazis have this right. But when athletes, some of which I'm sure you cheered when they played at WVU, speak up and peacefully protest what they see as injustice, then they should leave the country? It's amazing to me how the KKK and Nazis have the right to free speech and to spew hatred and bigotry in support of a history of murder and slaughter of innocents, but kneeling during a song or locking arms, creates the anger and vitriol posted above. Not to call you out personally here, you are not the only one that feels this way, but wow I just don't get how anyone can rationalize those views. Free speech is free speech and civil disobedience is a great part of American history and culture that we should be proud of. This is peaceful stuff folks and is an example of the freedom those soldiers you want to honor fought for.

Posted on: 9/26/2017 12:26 am
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Re: Gay frogs 🐸
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I don't believe the question was directed at me. At least it wasn't me that he was quoting. Seems more to me like those questions were an attempt at dodging the topic at hand. Just sayin

I wasn't dodging the question at hand at all. The question was asked why people don't think he's a legit source and i gave a couple reasons why. How is that dodging the question? He's full of shit on and its amazing to me that anyone buys into it.

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Besides the Sandy Hook and 9/11 condescension fits right in with the gay frogs. They are as well used as a retread tire. It really doesn't take a lot of thought to counter in a discussion with them. It's not really a sign of superior intelligence as the users would like to believe. The lawn mower man could repeat what he was told even before he was given the serum and had been hooked to virtual reality.

If it's condescension to say that I don't think 9/11 was a hoax and I don't think that Sandy Hook was fake then ok, guilty as charged.

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To satisfy your apparent curiosities. I don't believe that I have seen any evidence to disprove that Sandy Hook actually happened. I feel truly sorry for those families.

Great, seems like you think he's full of shit too.

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I still though think it is shady as all get out to see the one father laughing and smiling, then making himself tear up to make a statement on camera.

I can't imagine what it's like to deal with what this guy when through so will withhold judgement on how he dealt with an incredibly difficult situation.

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As far as 9/11, one thing I do know is that we have now been almost two decades deep in a two country war. Then we recently find out that Saudi Arabia was involved. Why would our leaders cover for Saudi Arabia, and send us into Iraq and Afghanistan? There are things about 9/11 that just don't add up completely.


If you're questioning our response to 9/11 well welcome to club. But does that mean it's a hoax? And what about his argument that the Oklahoma City bombing was done by the government? Or pizzagate? Or that the moon landing was fake? You guys actually think he's a credible source on anything??

Posted on: 9/22/2017 9:20 pm
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Re: Gay frogs 🐸
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Liberal assumption = Infowars is fake news because they say that the government is putting chemicals into the water that make the frogs gay.

Fact Check = Infowars reported on a scientific study about herbicide runoff that was getting into the water that was affecting frog hormones and reproductive organs.


I've never heard anything about Alex Jones and gay frogs until your post. But if he's claiming that that chemicals are making frogs gay and the proof is the study you posted, well, it shows a complete lack of understanding of the study. I say again, sex reversal isn't the same as gay. Impacting hormones and reproductive organs isn't gay.

Posted on: 9/22/2017 9:04 pm
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Re: Gay frogs 🐸
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Alex Jones vindicated yet again. Has been correct more than CNN this year with all of their Russia BS and now with their blatant lies saying Trump wasn't wiretapped. But people on this site say we should not use him as a source. Wonder why?


Do you believe that 9/11 was a hoax? Jones does. Do you believe that Sandy Hook was faked? Do you think the parents of the victims of those shootings lied about their children's death? Or that it was staged by children actors? That's what Jones has claimed.

Posted on: 9/21/2017 10:24 pm
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Re: Gay frogs 🐸
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You realize that a sex reversal is not the same thing as gay right?

Posted on: 9/21/2017 10:18 pm
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Re: The Website...
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Is there a way to archive the older data in the new forum? As an example see the archives at the bottom of the page here.


There is. It's something I can consider after the initial migration work is done.

Posted on: 9/19/2017 3:13 pm
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Re: The Website...
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It's been a couple weeks since I've updated progress on the site migration. Here's where I'm at:

User interface: Basic features are about 80% done. The stuff required to get us started on a new site will be done this week.

User accounts: I've been able to successfully migrate over user accounts to the new system. I have a bit of testing to do but things look good so far. This will allow everyone to retain their current accounts and post history.

Posts: This is the next item to tackle and is probably the hardest. My plan is to move over content from the last year only. There's just too much data to try to migrate everything over. This could change once I get into the detail but for now that's what I'm working towards. I'll see if I can keep the current site as is alive and link to that from the new site so that older content doesn't just disappear.

Testing: Once the above is in place I'll ask for a few volunteers to help test the new site before making it live.

That's it for now. Will update again soon.

Posted on: 9/18/2017 11:32 am
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Re: The Website...
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I swear that button wasn't there last night - I hadn't been drinking.


Haha. That might have been the problem! Sobriety is over-rated.

Posted on: 9/2/2017 11:24 am
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Re: The Website...
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Ah nice. Thanks for the correcting my instructions, wvufan1818! Appreciate the help

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Re: The Website...
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Hmmm. No, you're right. Sorry about that. I enabled it to let you do that but doesn't look like it's working. I'll see if I can get that fixed but in the meantime if you want to just send you a private message with your email address I can update it from my side. Sorry about that!

Posted on: 9/2/2017 2:11 am
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Re: Charlottesville
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Wait...what? Is this a Stanley sighting? Miss you brother.


Thanks! Good to be back.

Posted on: 9/1/2017 9:36 pm
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Re: The Website...
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Thanks to everyone for the welcome back messages. Appreciate it!

I cleaned out a whole bunch of obvious spam accounts. I'm sure I've missed a lot but its good enough for now.

Next step is to start exploring how to transfer accounts over. As part of that, please check that you have a valid email address in your account settings. Pretty much every modern site in existence uses your email or phone number to allow you to change your password. The couch is more...retro. Yeah, we'll call it retro. As we move to a new platform, though, you'll need a a real address tied to your account so please update that. To do so, login and under User Menu click edit. Update your email address if needed and save it. That's it.

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Re: Charlottesville
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There's a lot to comment on here.

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The South wanted to secede from an ever oppressive government. Slavery was the final drop.

The quote you posted from Lee itself makes it clear that he felt that slavery was the issue. If the slaves were freed, the war could be avoided. Yet he didn't free his own slaves and fought for those who refused to release theirs. I don' know why anyone would want to honor this.

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After the war Lincoln planned to deport all blacks to Liberia. Neither Lee, nor Lincoln wanted this war.

This is not accurate: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-met ... end-ex-slaves-central-am/

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But it was two forces that were going to clash inevitably.

Per the quote you pasted, Lee felt that if the slaves were freed then war could be avoided.

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What one should admire is Lincoln and Lee's work to unify the union after the war. Lee was an honorable man.

Lee's willingness to help unify after the war is probably his best trait. I personally cannot consider someone who lead an army to fight on the side to preserve slavery to be honorable, however.

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He did not want any statues erected in his name, and yet they were.

He didn't want statues for himself or the confederacy in general because he said it would be divisive. I think he was right and we're seeing the evidence of this and just how long lasting the divisiveness is.

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Anyone who does not know their history is doomed to repeat it.

No one is saying we should pretend this didn't happen. Many people simply feel, as Lee did, that honoring the confederacy is divisive. You don't have to erect statues, which are meant to honor people, in the public square. Put it in an art museum, or a history museum, and i'm all for it.

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The left does not learn from history. They point their fingers and scream racists without seeing the humanity of it. Without putting things into context. Following the path of the left is a path of war and destruction. We are capable of great evil.

A lot of what occurred in Charlottesville was racist and it should be confronted for being so. It's extremely disappointing to me that the the focus is on a statue and conspiracy theories rather than a full condemnation of the KKK and Nazis that were carrying torches chanting anti-semitic an racist slogans and driving cars into crowds. We saw the great evil that you rightly say we are capable of. There's no context that puts support for Hitler and lynching in some different light is there?

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And for those who say that slavery was the holocaust of the blacks. Yes. But keep in mind that blacks were the biggest slave traders in the world. Your solution is not to castigate white people. They are not your enemy.

There were a lot of people engaged in slave trade. That doesn't alleviate any of the responsibility of those in this country that supported and fought for the right to own slaves and doesn't mean, IMO, that we should honor someone who fought a war to defend slavery. It's not about castigating white people. It's about recognizing the evil of racism and slavery and the impacts that this still has on our society today.

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America fought a war that ended slavery. Slavery ended very much with the help of Lee.

America fought a war because the Confederacy thought that the right to own slaves was worth dying for. Almost all other countries were able to abolish slavery without a war. It's not something we should be proud of. And given that Lee fought for the side that wanted slavery and who failed to free his own slaves, I find it odd to say he helped end slavery. Unless you mean he did his part by losing the war?

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Destroying his statues is shitting on everything that is American history.

I think American history is much greater than Lee. I also think few people actually want the statues destroyed. I don't. Museums are great place for such relics. Not the public square as they are now, though.

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But also note that slavery has been a thing of humans for all of history leading up to the 1800s. It's only after the 1800s that the West made abolishing it the standard thing. Slavery is still practiced today all over the world in places unaffected by the west.

It's tragic that slavery still exists today and I believe we should be honoring those that helped to end it here, and not those that fought to continue such a barbaric system.

Posted on: 8/26/2017 5:03 pm
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