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Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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Overall most of teams he was OC finished well in stats as most Air Raid teams do, but overall record wasn't great.
2006 Texas Tech 8-5
2007 Texas Tech 9-4
2008 Houston 8-5(non power 5)
2009 Houston 10-4 (non power 5)
2010 OSU 11-2

So to me only great year was 2010 where he finished ranked 13th in AP poll as OC for Oklahoma State.
I think this should tell us that Air Raid just isn't a good offense to run to matchup with any defense, whether 3-3-5, 3-4, 4-3. That unless Dana reverts back to offenses he ran in 2015-2016, we will have to expect alot of seasons of just above .500, like we have.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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He was not an OC this year...

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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Make WVU great again. Dana can't beat a team with a pulse so withdraw from the Big 12 and schedule all teams like Delaware State and Savannah State for the next 20 years.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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wvuphanatic wrote:
He was not an OC this year...


Is Spatival not an extension of Dana's arm?

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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By the extension of his arm, an offensive coordinator he is.

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Make WVU great again.


Best. Quote. Ever.

You win.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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From a strategic standpoint the Air Raid offense makes no sense in most situations. It's not a good way to manage the game on offense or defense. Unless, you're in your two minute offense.

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You can win no matter what scheme you run if you have quality players and depth.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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You can win no matter what scheme you run if you have quality players and depth.


Maybe, but when was the last time you saw a WVU RB rip off a 50 yard TD like Utah did to us? There is something going on with the blocking scheme for the run game. Either our linemen are terrible or the blocking scheme is poor. The playcalling has also left a lot to be desired. Its like we don't do any self scouting or make adjustments. Utah was ready for everything we ran.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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What do you consider an "air raid" offense to be exactly?

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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This year, we threw the ball, on average, 37.6 times per game and ran, on average, 36.7 times per game.

324 per game in air
160 per game on ground



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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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This team needs about 3-4 special players who are healthy on each side of the ball to be outstanding. The other pieces of the puzzle are pretty close.

Grier is one.
Sills may be two
Not sure we have that at RB.

Long was one. It seems we have quality in the pipeline. We need a Bruuuuce and a Pac Man or something close.

Unless we change coaches, the next 3 years or so are going to be very good years for us given our recruiting upswing and what is there now. Spavital/Holgy will only improve. Wickline will get the line going. Gibby will get these kids up to snuff. They are puppies.

Next year should be a 9 or 10 win year. If we develop a high quality replacement for Grier, we will continue to be in the 9-10 win range for the next couple years after that, in my opnion, with chances of being even better each and every year.

Our fan base might be the most delusioanal, fragile, chicken little, bunch of Sunday morning QB expert, blame the coach, why does the student section show up late, group I have ever seen. I don't mean only on here, I mean in my neighborhood, at the office, at the diner, in every chat room. Zero long game, zero big picture, only instant gratification bitch and moan bitch and moan. We will be the best team ever (despite all evidence to the contrary), wait we are average, kill everyone! That is Mountaineer Nation.

If Holgy gets run out on a Bobby Bowden rail, we will be truly fucked for years to come. The massive adjustment to the B12 is now leveling off. The one year Holgy contract making it hard to recruit period is over and the skies are now blue. Everyone just needs to sit back, pour a cold one, and keep their tailgating alcohol tolerance in tip top shape for next year.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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“The first thing you have to do is acknowledge that there is a deficiency or weakness. You can look at the data. When Rich (Rodriguez) was here, we were in the top 10 in offensive statistics and were a game away from playing for the national championship. The following year after he left, with Pat White, we dropped to the 60s or 70s and stayed there for three years. At the end of the day, it’s really not that complicated. Frank Broyles once said — and I hope I’m relaying this right -- every year you keep a staff that isn’t working is two years down the road in terms of rebuilding. You cannot be shy about making personnel moves.”

Oliver, Oliver, Oliver....

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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wvudee wrote:
This year, we threw the ball, on average, 37.6 times per game and ran, on average, 36.7 times per game.

324 per game in air
160 per game on ground




I think you need to adjust your stats for just Grier.

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I was never a Holgerson supporter but at this time I don't see anyone that could have done better. We was rebuilding both Offensive and Defensive lines linebacker core and had youth at corner. Without the receiving corp and Grier we would have been looking at a 4 or 5 win season.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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wvmtneer wrote:
This team needs about 3-4 special players who are healthy on each side of the ball to be outstanding. The other pieces of the puzzle are pretty close.

Grier is one.
Sills may be two
Not sure we have that at RB.

Long was one. It seems we have quality in the pipeline. We need a Bruuuuce and a Pac Man or something close.

Unless we change coaches, the next 3 years or so are going to be very good years for us given our recruiting upswing and what is there now. Spavital/Holgy will only improve. Wickline will get the line going. Gibby will get these kids up to snuff. They are puppies.

Next year should be a 9 or 10 win year. If we develop a high quality replacement for Grier, we will continue to be in the 9-10 win range for the next couple years after that, in my opnion, with chances of being even better each and every year.

Our fan base might be the most delusioanal, fragile, chicken little, bunch of Sunday morning QB expert, blame the coach, why does the student section show up late, group I have ever seen. I don't mean only on here, I mean in my neighborhood, at the office, at the diner, in every chat room. Zero long game, zero big picture, only instant gratification bitch and moan bitch and moan. We will be the best team ever (despite all evidence to the contrary), wait we are average, kill everyone! That is Mountaineer Nation.

If Holgy gets run out on a Bobby Bowden rail, we will be truly fucked for years to come. The massive adjustment to the B12 is now leveling off. The one year Holgy contract making it hard to recruit period is over and the skies are now blue. Everyone just needs to sit back, pour a cold one, and keep their tailgating alcohol tolerance in tip top shape for next year.


This. Our fan base is pretty awful.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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dang. osu killing it. wvu wins!

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wvmtneer wrote:
This team needs about 3-4 special players who are healthy on each side of the ball to be outstanding. The other pieces of the puzzle are pretty close.

Grier is one.
Sills may be two
Not sure we have that at RB.

Long was one. It seems we have quality in the pipeline. We need a Bruuuuce and a Pac Man or something close.

Unless we change coaches, the next 3 years or so are going to be very good years for us given our recruiting upswing and what is there now. Spavital/Holgy will only improve. Wickline will get the line going. Gibby will get these kids up to snuff. They are puppies.

Next year should be a 9 or 10 win year. If we develop a high quality replacement for Grier, we will continue to be in the 9-10 win range for the next couple years after that, in my opnion, with chances of being even better each and every year.

Our fan base might be the most delusioanal, fragile, chicken little, bunch of Sunday morning QB expert, blame the coach, why does the student section show up late, group I have ever seen. I don't mean only on here, I mean in my neighborhood, at the office, at the diner, in every chat room. Zero long game, zero big picture, only instant gratification bitch and moan bitch and moan. We will be the best team ever (despite all evidence to the contrary), wait we are average, kill everyone! That is Mountaineer Nation.

If Holgy gets run out on a Bobby Bowden rail, we will be truly fucked for years to come. The massive adjustment to the B12 is now leveling off. The one year Holgy contract making it hard to recruit period is over and the skies are now blue. Everyone just needs to sit back, pour a cold one, and keep their tailgating alcohol tolerance in tip top shape for next year.

Amen Brother Bubbles!

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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I think we should fire Holgorsen & bring in Horsewomen.

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