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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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I was never a Holgerson supporter but at this time I don't see anyone that could have done better. We was rebuilding both Offensive and Defensive lines linebacker core and had youth at corner. Without the receiving corp and Grier we would have been looking at a 4 or 5 win season.


My prediction for this year was 7-5, based mainly on the fact that we had to replace almost three quarters of last year's production--pretty much one of the worst rebuilding situations in all D-1. The bowl game was certainly a disappointment but overall the season could have gone a lot worse for us. With a healthy Grier we beat Texas but I don't know if he'd have had an answer for Utah.

I think one of the best maturation stories this year was Holgorsen himself. You'd think he'd been studying eastern philosophy, or doing mindfulness training, or something during the offseason last year. Having Spavital certainly helped, but he was the picture of zenlike calm on the sidelines this year.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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It was a coaching miracle that WVU was 10-2 during the regular season last year with Skyler Howard as quarterback.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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This team needs about 3-4 special players who are healthy on each side of the ball to be outstanding. The other pieces of the puzzle are pretty close.

Grier is one.
Sills may be two
Not sure we have that at RB.

Long was one. It seems we have quality in the pipeline. We need a Bruuuuce and a Pac Man or something close.

Unless we change coaches, the next 3 years or so are going to be very good years for us given our recruiting upswing and what is there now. Spavital/Holgy will only improve. Wickline will get the line going. Gibby will get these kids up to snuff. They are puppies.

Next year should be a 9 or 10 win year. If we develop a high quality replacement for Grier, we will continue to be in the 9-10 win range for the next couple years after that, in my opnion, with chances of being even better each and every year.

Our fan base might be the most delusioanal, fragile, chicken little, bunch of Sunday morning QB expert, blame the coach, why does the student section show up late, group I have ever seen. I don't mean only on here, I mean in my neighborhood, at the office, at the diner, in every chat room. Zero long game, zero big picture, only instant gratification bitch and moan bitch and moan. We will be the best team ever (despite all evidence to the contrary), wait we are average, kill everyone! That is Mountaineer Nation.

If Holgy gets run out on a Bobby Bowden rail, we will be truly fucked for years to come. The massive adjustment to the B12 is now leveling off. The one year Holgy contract making it hard to recruit period is over and the skies are now blue. Everyone just needs to sit back, pour a cold one, and keep their tailgating alcohol tolerance in tip top shape for next year.


There you go making sense. You can't be a Mountaineer fan.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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From what I'm seeing right now any Holgy team best steer clear of over half the American Football Conference. And probably Conference USA.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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He's got 4 years left on his contract. After year three, is when you make that judgement if you want him or not. To me he has to make at least one Big 12 title game, which means a second place finish. I feel he is getting better as a coach but that might not be enough in the end, Comparing him to a HOF coach like Bowden is dumb. I mean you really see him becoming a HOF'er?

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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He's got 4 years left on his contract. After year three, is when you make that judgement if you want him or not. To me he has to make at least one Big 12 title game, which means a second place finish. I feel he is getting better as a coach but that might not be enough in the end, Comparing him to a HOF coach like Bowden is dumb. I mean you really see him becoming a HOF'er?


Referencing how WE treated Bobby Bowden is entirely different than calling HIM Bobby Bowden. Reading that sentence as me comparing him to Bobby Bowden is dumb.

But to hang him in effigy now because our fan base is mildly to moderately retarded would be to abuse a good coach without good reason.


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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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I like looking at the end of the year stats for trends that help explain our season. It seemed to me that our D-line was very weak compared to last year. The stats bear that out in terms of total tackles contributed by the 4 key members of the D-line:

WVU D line 2017: Donahue 40 tackles, Shuler 37 tackles, Rose 24 tackles, McDougle 23 tackles

WVU D line 2016: Darrien Howard 66 tackles, Nwachuku 40 tackles, Shuler 34 tackles, Brown 34 tackles

Brief summary: 2016 174 tackles, 2017 124 tackles.

Huge different at the NT position.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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I like looking at the end of the year stats for trends that help explain our season. It seemed to me that our D-line was very weak compared to last year. The stats bear that out in terms of total tackles contributed by the 4 key members of the D-line:

WVU D line 2017: Donahue 40 tackles, Shuler 37 tackles, Rose 24 tackles, McDougle 23 tackles

WVU D line 2016: Darrien Howard 66 tackles, Nwachuku 40 tackles, Shuler 34 tackles, Brown 34 tackles

Brief summary: 2016 174 tackles, 2017 124 tackles.

Huge different at the NT position.


That's an interesting analysis. At first blush, the assumption to me is that our D Line was otherwise occupied and so the LB's and Safeties had to make stops instead and one would think that would mean that the other teams were getting more yards per carry up the middle. Though I suppose it could mean teams chose to run outside more which would skew the numbers toward more tackles for LB's and Safeties or that teams threw on us more and ran less or that teams were using less hurry up and ran fewer plays in 2017.

Not meaning to put you on the spot, but do you know anything about any of these other numbers? That's 29% fewer tackles made by linemen, which is a huge difference. My interest is piqued.

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Good Analysis on D-line, explains poor run defense.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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Athlons has WVU ranked #22 for next season. I think next season is the year we figure out if Dana is taking us in the right direction or not.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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You can win no matter what scheme you run if you have quality players and depth.


Maybe, but when was the last time you saw a WVU RB rip off a 50 yard TD like Utah did to us? There is something going on with the blocking scheme for the run game. Either our linemen are terrible or the blocking scheme is poor. The playcalling has also left a lot to be desired. Its like we don't do any self scouting or make adjustments. Utah was ready for everything we ran.


Been on this for a decade now. There's been quality Lineman but as a unit it just doesn't gel. Always one guy missing a block and it normally comes on the combo block. A Stanford guy couldn't fix it. Dana needs to hire Garin Justice like today. If he can't fix it then it's FUBR.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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Section124 wrote:
I like looking at the end of the year stats for trends that help explain our season. It seemed to me that our D-line was very weak compared to last year. The stats bear that out in terms of total tackles contributed by the 4 key members of the D-line:

WVU D line 2017: Donahue 40 tackles, Shuler 37 tackles, Rose 24 tackles, McDougle 23 tackles

WVU D line 2016: Darrien Howard 66 tackles, Nwachuku 40 tackles, Shuler 34 tackles, Brown 34 tackles

Brief summary: 2016 174 tackles, 2017 124 tackles.

Huge different at the NT position.


That's an interesting analysis. At first blush, the assumption to me is that our D Line was otherwise occupied and so the LB's and Safeties had to make stops instead and one would think that would mean that the other teams were getting more yards per carry up the middle. Though I suppose it could mean teams chose to run outside more which would skew the numbers toward more tackles for LB's and Safeties or that teams threw on us more and ran less or that teams were using less hurry up and ran fewer plays in 2017.

Not meaning to put you on the spot, but do you know anything about any of these other numbers? That's 29% fewer tackles made by linemen, which is a huge difference. My interest is piqued.


I knew we'd miss Noble and Howard but damn.

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It’s Dana HOLGORSEN you insignificant swine.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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Holger? I hardly know her!

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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wvmtneer wrote:
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Section124 wrote:
I like looking at the end of the year stats for trends that help explain our season. It seemed to me that our D-line was very weak compared to last year. The stats bear that out in terms of total tackles contributed by the 4 key members of the D-line:

WVU D line 2017: Donahue 40 tackles, Shuler 37 tackles, Rose 24 tackles, McDougle 23 tackles

WVU D line 2016: Darrien Howard 66 tackles, Nwachuku 40 tackles, Shuler 34 tackles, Brown 34 tackles

Brief summary: 2016 174 tackles, 2017 124 tackles.

Huge different at the NT position.


That's an interesting analysis. At first blush, the assumption to me is that our D Line was otherwise occupied and so the LB's and Safeties had to make stops instead and one would think that would mean that the other teams were getting more yards per carry up the middle. Though I suppose it could mean teams chose to run outside more which would skew the numbers toward more tackles for LB's and Safeties or that teams threw on us more and ran less or that teams were using less hurry up and ran fewer plays in 2017.

Not meaning to put you on the spot, but do you know anything about any of these other numbers? That's 29% fewer tackles made by linemen, which is a huge difference. My interest is piqued.


I knew we'd miss Noble and Howard but damn.


To make an accurate comparison you need to know how many total plays were defended each year, and thus calculate a tackle rate. But it doesn't seem likely we defended fewer plays this year.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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You could also make a case for factoring in a comparison of runs vs. passes year to year

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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Been on this for a decade now. There's been quality Lineman but as a unit it just doesn't gel. Always one guy missing a block and it normally comes on the combo block. A Stanford guy couldn't fix it. Dana needs to hire Garin Justice like today. If he can't fix it then it's FUBR.


I've taken players to his clinics and taught at them while he was HC at Concord. He is an excellent coach, really knows his stuff and really knows how to teach it. They could do a lot worse. Problem is, Joe Wickline came from Texas and is an old friend of Dana's. I'm not sure Coach Justice has the recruiting pipeline that Wickline has. Neither has made that much progress in western PA but at least Wickline does have a toehold in TX. Wickline's hire pushed Ron Crook out and Crook would be considered an upgrade over Justice although, in truth, Justice might be the better coach.

Plus, few fans outside southern WV or old WVU fans will even recognize the name.

You are touching upon one of my line coaching points...5 average blocks beats 4 pancakes and 1 miss EVERY time. Be on the same page, communicate and work together in unison.

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Re: Dana Holgerson, was he overrated even as Offensive Coordinator?
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Therein lies one of our problems.

Trying to recruit in Texas as a newcomer.

We already had our in-roads in Florida and I fear we lost a lot of those with the change to a Texas based coaching staff.

Not a knock on the staff, just a recognition of the reality that is recruiting. How much did we walk away from a long and successful history of recruiting Fla and other areas?

And that is more of a question than a criticism because I don't know how much we lost in other geographic areas compared to how much we gained from Texas. I fear we didn't gain much from Texas and we lost a lot from other areas.

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