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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Liberals will never understand that they are mind-controlled by the media. In less than a year they have been brainwashed into threatening the first two amendments and client attorney privilege. But the same tech and media companies tell them they are activists battling fascists and racists.


Lol. Not worthy of a meme search. Just sad at this point.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Liberals will never understand that they are mind-controlled by the media. In less than a year they have been brainwashed into threatening the first two amendments and client attorney privilege. But the same tech and media companies tell them they are activists battling fascists and racists.


Lol. Not worthy of a meme search. Just sad at this point.


It is sad, and rather ironic. I hope you come to terms sooner rather than later.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html




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Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.

I figure this won't mean much but, 88, this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here. Congratulations!

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.

I figure this won't mean much but, 88, this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here. Congratulations!


Ove never heard of a Republican university silence left speakers. But I see liberal schools silence and cancel right speakers frequently.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.

I figure this won't mean much but, 88, this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here. Congratulations!


I rarely agree with joedaddyski...but I concur! Well said by 88 & kudos to joedaddyski for his post as well!

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sg44gold wrote:
Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.

I figure this won't mean much but, 88, this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here. Congratulations!


Ove never heard of a Republican university silence left speakers. But I see liberal schools silence and cancel right speakers frequently.


This is a sign that you are encased in an echo chamber. Both sides shout each other down. It happens at schools, in the streets, on TV, pretty much everywhere. It is reprehensible.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.


Only, and I mean, ONLY the progressive, socialist, leftist fascists are shouting people down and preventing Free Speech.

And sadly, they are so lacking in Wisdom that cannot see the error of their ways.

Hopefully one day these young people will grow up and gain some Wisdom.

Posted on: 4/22 10:38 pm
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Eers88 wrote:
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sg44gold wrote:
Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.


Only, and I mean, ONLY the progressive, socialist, leftist fascists are shouting people down and preventing Free Speech.

And sadly, they are so lacking in Wisdom that cannot see the error of their ways.

Hopefully one day these young people will grow up and gain some Wisdom.


Symptoms of the echo chamber.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Eers88 wrote:
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sg44gold wrote:
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Eers88 wrote:
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sg44gold wrote:
Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.


Only, and I mean, ONLY the progressive, socialist, leftist fascists are shouting people down and preventing Free Speech.

And sadly, they are so lacking in Wisdom that cannot see the error of their ways.

Hopefully one day these young people will grow up and gain some Wisdom.


Symptoms of the echo chamber.


Those who live in glass houses....


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Re: The Wisdom Gap

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Eers88 wrote:
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sg44gold wrote:
Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.


Only, and I mean, ONLY the progressive, socialist, leftist fascists are shouting people down and preventing Free Speech.

And sadly, they are so lacking in Wisdom that cannot see the error of their ways.

Hopefully one day these young people will grow up and gain some Wisdom.


Symptoms of the echo chamber.


Those who live in glass houses....



Did you not read this thread? Did I not say that the suppression of speech and ideas occurs among both conservatives and liberals? It would be a "glass house" if I blamed conservatives, wouldn't it? I didn't. Now you are using fake whataboutisms. Yikes.

BTW - the reason that suppression of ideas different from one's own occurs among both liberals and conservatives is because it is a symptom of authoritarianism. There are two planes that form a person's ideology: liberal/conservative and authoritarian/libertarian. Suppression of speech and ideas is advocated by authoritarians on both sides.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Wisdom? Maybe try this:

The Hardest Job in the World What if the problem isn’t the president—it’s the presidency?

Quite long but very good. Maybe skip the first 7 paragraphs if you’re an extreme Donald lover. You should be OK otherwise.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Ignorant leftist radio hiphop host Ebro Darden made a really funny quote today that if you ask me kind of sums up the ignorance of the left.... commenting about Kanye West saying that he loves Candice Owens ideas and loves Trump, one of his comments was... "You are living in a bubble man. You're hanging out with people who dont look like you". Lol. Talk about living in a bubble. This leftist sounds like he wants to go back to segregation. And he also said Trump kills black people all the way to the womb....LOL. I thought that was planned parenthoods job? Liberal ignorance, close-mindedness and racism. I guess those are the qualities you need to land a leftist radio host gig.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Eers88 wrote: Did you not read this thread? Did I not say that the suppression of speech and ideas occurs among both conservatives and liberals? It would be a "glass house" if I blamed conservatives, wouldn't it? I didn't. Now you are using fake whataboutisms. Yikes.


To be fair, I was referring to your full body of work on the Soap Box. My observation was made on a larger scope than just this thread, but I digress.

Whataboutism? Eh fake whataboutism? What are you talking about? Please help me understand your reasoning here, so I can stop chuckling to myself, and actually be able to take you seriously.

Oh by the way everyone. If you don’t believe, think like, or align with the same politics as 88, you are a victim of propaganda, and need to step out of your bubble of influence. You need to try to be more “open minded” like 88, who recently made the greatest post in Couch history.

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Eers88 wrote: Did you not read this thread? Did I not say that the suppression of speech and ideas occurs among both conservatives and liberals? It would be a "glass house" if I blamed conservatives, wouldn't it? I didn't. Now you are using fake whataboutisms. Yikes.


To be fair, I was referring to your full body of work on the Soap Box. My observation was made on a larger scope than just this thread, but I digress.

Whataboutism? Eh fake whataboutism? What are you talking about? Please help me understand your reasoning here, so I can stop chuckling to myself, and actually be able to take you seriously.

Oh by the way everyone. If you don’t believe, think like, or align with the same politics as 88, you are a victim of propaganda, and need to step out of your bubble of influence. You need to try to be more “open minded” like 88, who recently made the greatest post in Couch history.


People can read for themselves. I don't make comments about groups of people like you, Turkish, SG and 1818. When people do that it is a sign that they are forming opinions based on propaganda. Demonizing people because they don't think like you is a form of idea suppression just like shouting down public speakers at universities. So is attacking the media and threatening to jail them. So is stacking television shows with like-minded speakers, and repeating the same untrue message over and over. They are all equally bad.

My point about the whataboutism was that you obviously did it and made it up. I honestly cannot see how you don't see it, even when it is pointed out to you. To be clear, I am criticizing you, but not because you don't think like me. I am criticizing you because your typical response to a topic is a whataboutism often combined with some kind of "I am laughing so hard I cannot stop" type of response. I don't care if you are left or right. You can disagree all you want. Let me break the whataboutism down for you:

Me: Both sides do it.
SG: Only liberals do it.
Me: You are limiting your input.
You: WHATABOUTISM!

Do you see it now? My position on the issue was that both sides do it. I literally had just posted it. Yet you somehow equated that to SG's position. I don't see how they could possibly be any different. It is absurd to even try to equate them. You made it up.

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Eers88 wrote: Did you not read this thread? Did I not say that the suppression of speech and ideas occurs among both conservatives and liberals? It would be a "glass house" if I blamed conservatives, wouldn't it? I didn't. Now you are using fake whataboutisms. Yikes.


To be fair, I was referring to your full body of work on the Soap Box. My observation was made on a larger scope than just this thread, but I digress.

Whataboutism? Eh fake whataboutism? What are you talking about? Please help me understand your reasoning here, so I can stop chuckling to myself, and actually be able to take you seriously.

Oh by the way everyone. If you don’t believe, think like, or align with the same politics as 88, you are a victim of propaganda, and need to step out of your bubble of influence. You need to try to be more “open minded” like 88, who recently made the greatest post in Couch history.


People can read for themselves. I don't make comments about groups of people like you, Turkish, SG and 1818. When people do that it is a sign that they are forming opinions based on propaganda. Demonizing people because they don't think like you is a form of idea suppression just like shouting down public speakers at universities. So is attacking the media and threatening to jail them. So is stacking television shows with like-minded speakers, and repeating the same untrue message over and over. They are all equally bad.

My point about the whataboutism was that you obviously did it and made it up. I honestly cannot see how you don't see it, even when it is pointed out to you. To be clear, I am criticizing you, but not because you don't think like me. I am criticizing you because your typical response to a topic is a whataboutism often combined with some kind of "I am laughing so hard I cannot stop" type of response. I don't care if you are left or right. You can disagree all you want. Let me break the whataboutism down for you:

Me: Both sides do it.
SG: Only liberals do it.
Me: You are limiting your input.
You: WHATABOUTISM!

Do you see it now? My position on the issue was that both sides do it. I literally had just posted it. Yet you somehow equated that to SG's position. I don't see how they could possibly be any different. It is absurd to even try to equate them. You made it up.


Yes you do. You comment about groups all the time in multpile threads. And hill, Zwaa, and 4da created this stupid "whataboutism" so they wouldn't have to keep conversations and arguments going when they are wrong/losing. Then when Eery points it out and turns it around on them you ride in with your moral superiority and make this stupid comment.

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Re: The Wisdom Gap
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Eers88 wrote:
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wvufan1818 wrote:
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joedaddyski wrote:
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Eers88 wrote:
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sg44gold wrote:
Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.

I figure this won't mean much but, 88, this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here. Congratulations!


Ove never heard of a Republican university silence left speakers. But I see liberal schools silence and cancel right speakers frequently.


This is a sign that you are encased in an echo chamber. Both sides shout each other down. It happens at schools, in the streets, on TV, pretty much everywhere. It is reprehensible.


Throw some examples of republican universities silencing left speakers

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wvufan1818 wrote:
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Eers88 wrote:
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EERY wrote:
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Eers88 wrote: Did you not read this thread? Did I not say that the suppression of speech and ideas occurs among both conservatives and liberals? It would be a "glass house" if I blamed conservatives, wouldn't it? I didn't. Now you are using fake whataboutisms. Yikes.


To be fair, I was referring to your full body of work on the Soap Box. My observation was made on a larger scope than just this thread, but I digress.

Whataboutism? Eh fake whataboutism? What are you talking about? Please help me understand your reasoning here, so I can stop chuckling to myself, and actually be able to take you seriously.

Oh by the way everyone. If you don’t believe, think like, or align with the same politics as 88, you are a victim of propaganda, and need to step out of your bubble of influence. You need to try to be more “open minded” like 88, who recently made the greatest post in Couch history.


People can read for themselves. I don't make comments about groups of people like you, Turkish, SG and 1818. When people do that it is a sign that they are forming opinions based on propaganda. Demonizing people because they don't think like you is a form of idea suppression just like shouting down public speakers at universities. So is attacking the media and threatening to jail them. So is stacking television shows with like-minded speakers, and repeating the same untrue message over and over. They are all equally bad.

My point about the whataboutism was that you obviously did it and made it up. I honestly cannot see how you don't see it, even when it is pointed out to you. To be clear, I am criticizing you, but not because you don't think like me. I am criticizing you because your typical response to a topic is a whataboutism often combined with some kind of "I am laughing so hard I cannot stop" type of response. I don't care if you are left or right. You can disagree all you want. Let me break the whataboutism down for you:

Me: Both sides do it.
SG: Only liberals do it.
Me: You are limiting your input.
You: WHATABOUTISM!

Do you see it now? My position on the issue was that both sides do it. I literally had just posted it. Yet you somehow equated that to SG's position. I don't see how they could possibly be any different. It is absurd to even try to equate them. You made it up.


Yes you do. You comment about groups all the time in multpile threads. And hill, Zwaa, and 4da created this stupid "whataboutism" so they wouldn't have to keep conversations and arguments going when they are wrong/losing. Then when Eery points it out and turns it around on them you ride in with your moral superiority and make this stupid comment.


I didn't say anything about commenting on them. I said demonizing them. There is a difference. There is nothing wrong, for instance, with saying ,"The Republican congressional leadership needs to ...." That is different than saying,"Conservatism is a disease," or "Conservatives are (fill in the blank)." I don't expect you (notice how I limit it to you and not all people who disagree with me) will understand this distinction because you don't show the ability to understand context.

FWIW - they didn't invent whataboutism. It is a logical fallacy. That is the problem with continuing to use it. I don't know about moral superiority, but as far as logic goes I am comfortable saying I apply it better than you and Eery.

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wvufan1818 wrote:
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Eers88 wrote:
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wvufan1818 wrote:
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joedaddyski wrote:
Quote:

Eers88 wrote:
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sg44gold wrote:
Sad. And you don't think our young people are being brainwashed???

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cuny-laws-disgrace-15849.html



There are people on both sides who don't understand that free speech is imperative for a functioning democracy. Maintaining a democracy is hard work. Listening to another person and respecting his or her right to speak, particularly when he or she is saying something that you find appalling or offensive, is hard work. Listening to someone's argument with the intent to understand it and not to misstate, ridicule or demean it is hard work. Arguing ideas and values without ad hominem attacks on people is hard work. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a fault in the wall that both sides are chipping away at.

I figure this won't mean much but, 88, this is one of the best posts I have ever seen here. Congratulations!


Ove never heard of a Republican university silence left speakers. But I see liberal schools silence and cancel right speakers frequently.


This is a sign that you are encased in an echo chamber. Both sides shout each other down. It happens at schools, in the streets, on TV, pretty much everywhere. It is reprehensible.


Throw some examples of republican universities silencing left speakers


Here is one:

Why I Was Banned From The Campus of Liberty University

And here is a good article on the overall issue we are discussing:

New Republic

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