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Re: the nascar thread

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also new, digital dashboards. it's all good but.. still no speedometer or fuel gauge. which makes absolutely no sense to me.

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Re: the nascar thread

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from the way the fox guys explained the overtime rules.. here's how it works: once the green flag is waved on a restart at the end of the race(2 laps or less to go), once the leader reaches the backstretch line, the race is official. however, if they wreck on the restart 4 straight times, they'll keep going. i suspect this will be different at bristol and martinsville-maybe turn 3 instead of the backstretch.

chase elliot, in the 24, won the pole for the 500. another rookie. pretty fast single car laps-196 mph. they reduced the restrictor plate down 1/64th of an inch.

Posted on: 2/14/2016 2:48 pm
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They have ruined nascar. These new rules and guaranteed spots are the end for a competitive sport

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i think the 'charter' is just a fancy way of having what they used to have--the provisonal/top 30 in points rule. owners can change sell/buy charters. there's still 4 'at-large' spots. i think all the 'charter' does is guarantee owners of making more money, basically by eliminating those 3 extra spots.

i think it used to be, when i started following nascar 20 years ago: top 36 qualifiers made the race. positions 37-42 were provisionals, position 43 was a past champion provisional; top 35 in owner points were guaranteed a spot. and i *think* that teams only had like 8-10 provisionals to use per season. once they ran out, they couldn't get into races, or had to win a pole award to gain another, or something to that effect.

they used to have 2 qualifying sessions. the top 25 positions were set. the remaining of the field, positions 26-whoever was left, could requalify if they wanted. i remember dale earnhardt doing this a lot. he would originally qualify deep in the field.. but would requalify and end up higher, around 26th. not every car had to requalify if they wanted. it was all about the new speed.

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Re: the nascar thread
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They have ruined nascar. These new rules and guaranteed spots are the end for a competitive sport


NASCAR is not a sport.

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Re: the nascar thread

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auto racing is definitely a sport, nascar is a league.

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RIP Dale. As did NASCAR.

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first truck race of the season ended in this.

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it's #daytonaday.

Posted on: 2/21/2016 12:40 pm
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sadly boring race won't be remembered thanks to that 1 mile of excitement.

Posted on: 2/21/2016 8:38 pm
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Folks aren't as annoyed by all the commercials when most of the race is boring. That's my theory.

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i will never understand how a football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, etc game can go on without ANY commercials taking their playing time, but nascar and indy car.. watch out.

it was the daytona 500. they only used the 'side by side' feature twice i believe--at the beginning and end of the race. i realize that nascar can't "plan" commercials, or have tv timeouts like other sports(not counting debris cautions), but seriously. with all the sponsors on these cars and series sponsors, they should be able to broadcast a race with less than 1/4 of it being commercials.

i'm tired of fox, i'm tired of mike joy, darrell waltrip, chris meyers, and larry mcreynolds. horrible announcing and commentating. i'm tired of the horrible camera angles.. oh great, more sunglare! i'm tired of them cutting to drivers in the garage while green flag racing is going on. i'm tired of them missing wrecks because they're too busy showing commercials AFTER the commercials. it takes forever to get a replay of anything--yesterday when the 34 and 93 wrecked.. they only had 1 angle and it took them 2 minutes to show it. they won't show exciting racing, they're too focused on the leader's single file line! but really, the director, artie kempner, is horrid.

and this isn't even mentioning the horrible racing. whoever got the lead on the restart stayed there-(toyota team racing orders yesterday), just like every other track in the series. after they booted dale jr and joey logano out of the lead, the toyotas hugged that bottom line. boredom for 499 miles. i'd have much rather had the tandem racing back than this crap. but the leader blocks the entire time. that's not racing.

there are ways to bring it back though, with minor tweaks to the rules. as much as i liked the '99-05 races, they won't ever go back to those rules. but here are my ideas:

1-do away with the out of bounds rule. it was put in place after dale earnhardt's death, but it's served its purpose. tracks are safer, cars are safer.. so do away with it. it's hindering racing. watch the 1979 daytona 500, or any other plate race until 2001.. the races on the backstretches were amazing. if anything, eliminate it in the corners--but that's common sense.
2-put bigger spoilers on these cars. right now, these cars can't suck up to the car in front of them at all. a bigger spoiler would solve that problem.
3-put more grill openings on the cars for all tracks. i think this would help solve the debris on the grill/aero push issue.
4-open up the restrictor plate just a bit and make the cars heavier. i think if you still have speeds at 200 mph but make cars heavier, they won't flip as easily.
5-this is just a random idea, but have the cars qualify with no restrictor plates. that way it'd take car setup, handling, and real car speed determining the lineup, rather than who drove the best line in qualifying. i'm tired of bill elliott's record mentioned. it's almost 30 years old. that record would fall instantly, and it'd be exciting.

Posted on: 2/22/2016 8:34 am
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Re: the nascar thread
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Racing???

Its not racing when you have rules and regulations that guarantee that all of the cars have the same top speed.

If you are worried more about safety than you are about RACING, then you can't call it racing.

All aluminum, twin turbo, 650 cubic inch big block anyone???

And throw in All-wheel drive while your at it.

I would bet a Nissan GTR with mild modifications could beat every car on that track.

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Yeah, 500 more pounds and 300 less horsepower is a sure ticket to domination.

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Re: the nascar thread
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300 LESS horsepower???

Ha!

Posted on: 2/23/2016 2:37 pm
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if you make the cars heavier, but add horsepower(bigger restrictor plate opening) to combat the slower speed, they'll theoretically go the same speed, but will be harder to flip over thanks to them being heavier. where that weight/speed ratio meets isn't known to me. maybe it'd take a 5000 lbs car with 1000 horsepower to be able to go 200 mph. but it's just an idea to keep the cars going 200 mph and eliminating a lot of the flipovers.

Posted on: 2/23/2016 5:34 pm
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A Nextel cup car, or whatever they are calling it now, are approaching 900 hp. A stock GTR can't touch that.

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i bet he'd be thinking the same after this year's race.

Posted on: 2/26/2016 12:57 am
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