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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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zwaaa wrote: Someone need a hug.....


What? No trees available?


Sure there are....FOR NOW!!!


No thanks to the EPA. What if we built a cleaner, healthier world for nothing?

Posted on: 4/6/2012 2:08 pm
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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What if we built cleaner, healthier world for nothing?


That's socialism! We should let the free market deal with this and privatize cleaner healthier world building.....So we can create jobs and wealth.


Posted on: 4/6/2012 2:12 pm
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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MdMounty wrote: Glad you don't want to talk about coal since it has zero to do with gas prices. That's a nice generality about who knows what in that first paragraph which says absolutley nothing.


Ever heard of "Coal Gasification"? There is more potential in coal than just electrical energy production.


Again, what does that have to do with the topic - GASOLINE prices.

Posted on: 4/6/2012 2:31 pm
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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My wife gets mad at me when I gasify.

Posted on: 4/6/2012 2:44 pm
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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My wife gets mad at me when I gasify.


Your gasification is also expensive, inefficient, and takes a high toll on the environment.

Posted on: 4/6/2012 3:03 pm
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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Typical liberal. You mouth off with your speculations and vague references to what percentage of the world's oil supply could actually be found here at home without providing any actual numbers to back up your speculation, and then try and make it someone elses' responsibility to provide some actual numbers to disprove your speculation. The onus is on you. But, if our actual potential as an oil producer is blocked by those of your political persuasion, I guess we won't ever really know what impact we could have on world markets or on self-sufficiency.


Wasn't just spouting my mouth off. I've actually looked this stuff up and knew the figures. Again, stick to name calling and labeling. That's all you're good for and regurgitating whatever right wing media you're in to.

Global Oil

We have 2.2% of the world's oil reserves, produce 10.7% (seen figures as low as 8%) and consume 25.9%.

If we could somehow produce 50% more oil, which would require us to drill the Arctic, the Antarctic and the moon, we would still only control 15% of the world's oil.

It's numbers and economics, not bullshit and rhetoric.

Posted on: 4/6/2012 6:12 pm
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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Your gasification is also expensive, inefficient, and takes a high toll on the environment.
Local or global? Hint: All gasifications are local.

Posted on: 4/6/2012 6:16 pm
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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Your gasification is also expensive, inefficient, and takes a high toll on the environment.
Local or global? Hint: All gasifications are local.


I was actually referring to eers88's gassification.

Wait...never mind

Posted on: 4/6/2012 6:51 pm
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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ARGUABLY burger king is superior to McDonald's.

Better cooking, better fries, better soda selection.


I usually respect zwaaa's opinions and posts.

After this assertion I now much go back and re-read all 1,800+ of his posts. Maybe he's been just as wrong about everything else?

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Posted on: 4/7/2012 8:32 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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By the way, most of the "natural" gas in South Africa is the product of these coal gasification plants. So it is not only possible, but practiced by a country with basically no known gas resources. Because they had to. But then again, this same country also desalinizes much of their fresh water supply because they lack sufficient fresh water supplies.


Isn't it also true that they only have two plants, and that no more have been built because of the prohibitive expense?


True, because this is very emerging technology. Because they don't have to heat homes very much, and what demand they have is generally for manufacturing and "cooking gas," they haven't needed as much capacity as they may have thought.

Posted on: 4/7/2012 8:38 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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By the way, most of the "natural" gas in South Africa is the product of these coal gasification plants. So it is not only possible, but practiced by a country with basically no known gas resources. Because they had to. But then again, this same country also desalinizes much of their fresh water supply because they lack sufficient fresh water supplies.


Isn't it also true that they only have two plants, and that no more have been built because of the prohibitive expense?


True, because this is very emerging technology. Because they don't have to heat homes very much, and what demand they have is generally for manufacturing and "cooking gas," they haven't needed as much capacity as they may have thought.


Emerging....since the 1970's?

Posted on: 4/7/2012 10:21 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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Gasification has been around since the 19th century and the modern process since the 70's. Liquifaction has been around since the 60's They've never been able to make it economically feasible, but we shouldn't give up on this and it's looking better all the time.

Back in the 70's & 80's, coal companies were booming and making big profits and should have been putting money in R&D for stuff like this for a rainy day.

All of our industries were like that. Coal, Iron and Autos. Countries like Japan were developing new technologies and putting out good products while our companies went for the profits.

I think we need to do like the Apollo moon project. Get a bunch of eggheads in one room till they figure out how to make all this stuff work.

Posted on: 4/7/2012 11:03 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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Gasification has been around since the 19th century and the modern process since the 70's. Liquifaction has been around since the 60's They've never been able to make it economically feasible, but we shouldn't give up on this and it's looking better all the time.

Back in the 70's & 80's, coal companies were booming and making big profits and should have been putting money in R&D for stuff like this for a rainy day.


Question, as you sem to know a lot more about this than I do. Would it be better to research this, or say newer solar and safer nuclear technologies? Better from a financial standpoint.

Posted on: 4/7/2012 11:11 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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Gasification has been around since the 19th century and the modern process since the 70's. Liquifaction has been around since the 60's They've never been able to make it economically feasible, but we shouldn't give up on this and it's looking better all the time.

Back in the 70's & 80's, coal companies were booming and making big profits and should have been putting money in R&D for stuff like this for a rainy day.


Question, as you sem to know a lot more about this than I do. Would it be better to research this, or say newer solar and safer nuclear technologies? Better from a financial standpoint.


I think you need to do both at this point and a bigger emphasis on non-fossil fuel options. The big advantage of coal is we have a lot of it. I'm skeptical that coal will ever be used in a "clean" way, however.

Posted on: 4/7/2012 11:13 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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Gasification has been around since the 19th century and the modern process since the 70's. Liquifaction has been around since the 60's They've never been able to make it economically feasible, but we shouldn't give up on this and it's looking better all the time.

Back in the 70's & 80's, coal companies were booming and making big profits and should have been putting money in R&D for stuff like this for a rainy day.


Question, as you sem to know a lot more about this than I do. Would it be better to research this, or say newer solar and safer nuclear technologies? Better from a financial standpoint.


I think you need to do both at this point and a bigger emphasis on non-fossil fuel options. The big advantage of coal is we have a lot of it. I'm skeptical that coal will ever be used in a "clean" way, however.


That seems sensible. I've heard mixed reports that we have as much as 3000 years of coal left, and as little as 45. Both are probably biased statements.

Posted on: 4/7/2012 11:20 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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At the current rate of production there ia about 100 years of coal reserves left.

Posted on: 4/7/2012 11:26 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney

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Before Obama took office, I lost 40% of my 401(k). Thanks, George W.

It is now slightly higher than it was before the fall. Thanks, Barack. (I still get sick thinking where it might have been if not for the decline.)

I am receiving my Social Security checks right on time and may still qualify for Medicare after the company I worked for for more than 20 years takes away my health insurance in 2015, even though they told me I would have it for life. Clearly, they have changed their mind about that.

I know who I'm voting for, too. I'm one of the 99 percent. I can't afford to live under a Republican administration that wants to take away the benefits I need to live.





Posted on: 4/7/2012 11:38 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney
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Before Obama took office, I lost 40% of my 401(k). Thanks, George W.

It is now slightly higher than it was before the fall. Thanks, Barack. (I still get sick thinking where it might have been if not for the decline.)

I am receiving my Social Security checks right on time and may still qualify for Medicare after the company I worked for for more than 20 years takes away my health insurance in 2015, even though they told me I would have it for life. Clearly, they have changed their mind about that.

I know who I'm voting for, too. I'm one of the 99 percent. I can't afford to live under a Republican administration that wants to take away the benefits I need to live.






THis is clearly your fault for not anticipating the deregulation that would allow financial institutions to engage in questionable risky business tactics that would have a very adverse effect on our economy.

I fail to see why my tax dollars should be used to fulfill the social contract we were all promised. That's money that I earned on my own, by myself. I didn't use roads or the education I got at a public school for free. I didn't rely on the military to keep my country free and safe. I never used socialist services l Ike police or fire departments.

MINE MINE MINE.....




Posted on: 4/7/2012 11:49 am
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Re: Critics say RNC was in tank for Mitt Romney

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THis is clearly your fault for not anticipating the deregulation that would allow financial institutions to engage in questionable risky business tactics that would have a very adverse effect on our economy.


I'm so ashamed.

Posted on: 4/7/2012 11:59 am
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