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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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At one point last night we had more than 400 yards of offense and they had around 150 -- but they were still ahead. You can't downplay the effect of field position on a football game.

We had a punter who couldn't punt and a punt returner who wouldn't catch the ball, which meant we were playing uphill all night long.

On the plus side, we didn't lose to Liberty.




Agreed!

Refs didnt help us out much last night either, not that it cost us the game, but that tech fumble we didnt get, and that pass interference call (the ball was thrown 10 yards out of bounds, not a chance of being caught) didnt help.

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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For what it's worth, it seemed we were starting at the 5 or 10 yard line after every punt. We had to go 90 yards to score. They were starting on the 35-40. They have the #1 kick of specialist in the country I thought I heard someone say and I believe it.

Holgs said VT has a top 10 run defense, they are big and crowded the box. I guess that was why there were so many passes. A lot of mistakes, a lot of promise and a head coach that killed a drive with stupidity. The refs were clearly for VT.

An uphill battle to win with our special teams and we came close. They rushed 4 all night and I don't remember Will being sacked so the O-line isn't too bad. A frustrating game against a good, evenly matched team except for special teams. 30 yard punts aren't going to cut it. It could have been worse.


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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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They missed 2 field goals, so it could have been over earlier, they let us in ito to the end

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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I barely made it off the boat and to the bar in time last night only to have directv lose ABC signal for a full quarter in perfect weather. I was pissed beyond belief and very drunk. So I'm watching the game now at home with sound. Is our defense bad? We just tied it 10-10 And tech drove down the field with ease for 7.

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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Woke up, made breakfast, took the dog for a walk, mowed grass. And I'm STILL PISSED OFF DAMNIT

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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I've read everyone else's take on things so now I'll offer some of mine.

That was a fun, exciting but in the end disappointing game.
Somebody had to lose, it sucks it was us.

Will Grier is as advertised. He wasn't inaccurate, nearly every ball was placed where only his guy could get to it. The 4th down play where he was intercepted was excusable...it was 4th down, their defense was all over our playcall, it's okay to try to force something in that case...we lost 2 yards on the pick.

Spavital was pass happy but that was a top 10 run defense with the box loaded...they were all over our backs hence Grier keeping the ball to open up any running game.

Dana was warned about his sideline behavior by Big 12 refs...they called it a "point of emphasis". He didn't throw a huge tantrum but he had been warned it was coming.

Our defensive backs were horrid and got abused a lot. They made fundamental mistakes...turning the wrong way and allowing simple post routes to go uncovered, biting on fake bubble screens and allowing 40 yard TD passes. Askew-Henry chasing the back all night and allowing the QB to run for a TD untouched. The completely unnecessary PI penalty. THAT was our worst area.

It sucks that we lost and we aren't as good as I had hoped...but we are MUCH better than all of these analysts predicted and will fair well in a weak Big 12. Winning 8 or 9 games is achievable. We'll learn a lot as VT begins playing others and does well or does poorly. I think they're good and will do well. I think we are pretty good - a top 20 team.

It still really sucks we lost.

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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Grier played off his ass in the 2nd half...and his wife almost broke Twitter last night.

Sills/Jennings are going to have monster years.

Posted on: 9/4 12:32 pm
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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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I've read everyone else's take on things so now I'll offer some of mine.

That was a fun, exciting but in the end disappointing game.
Somebody had to lose, it sucks it was us.

Will Grier is as advertised. He wasn't inaccurate, nearly every ball was placed where only his guy could get to it. The 4th down play where he was intercepted was excusable...it was 4th down, their defense was all over our playcall, it's okay to try to force something in that case...we lost 2 yards on the pick.

Spavital was pass happy but that was a top 10 run defense with the box loaded...they were all over our backs hence Grier keeping the ball to open up any running game.

Dana was warned about his sideline behavior by Big 12 refs...they called it a "point of emphasis". He didn't throw a huge tantrum but he had been warned it was coming.

Our defensive backs were horrid and got abused a lot. They made fundamental mistakes...turning the wrong way and allowing simple post routes to go uncovered, biting on fake bubble screens and allowing 40 yard TD passes. Askew-Henry chasing the back all night and allowing the QB to run for a TD untouched. The completely unnecessary PI penalty. THAT was our worst area.

It sucks that we lost and we aren't as good as I had hoped...but we are MUCH better than all of these analysts predicted and will fair well in a weak Big 12. Winning 8 or 9 games is achievable. We'll learn a lot as VT begins playing others and does well or does poorly. I think they're good and will do well. I think we are pretty good - a top 20 team.

It still really sucks we lost.


I'm confused on a lot here...

Grier completed less than 60% of his passes last night, even though he continuously had all the time in the world to find his receivers (only looked at jennings), granted it's a small sample size for him, but howard was bashed for his accuracy, yet he was better than 60%, and as advertised? After week 1, Grier has a qb rating of 132, ranking him at 71 of 124 qbs. Is that how he was advertised?

Again, I know it's only been one week, and SOOOOOOO much still needs to play out, but the numbers clearly show Grier was a disappointment last night. The most disappointing aspect for me, was his leadership ability, I don't recall seeing him talking with anybody on the sideline all game.

When did V-Tech become a top 10 rushing defense? They were ranked 42 last year in rushing defense, and we averaged over 6 yards per carry last night, almost identical to our yards per reception. Spavital hasn't been successful at calling plays since his first year at A&M when he had heisman trophy winning qb. Our offense looked identical to watching a Cal game last year, throw every play, constant 3 and out, 30 second drives.

Our DB's surly had some troubles last night, as expected, but they still only gave up 1 touchdown, and less than 250 yards passing, far from horrid.

It's only been one game, I'm not saying the season is over, but that was an absolutely embarrassing way to start the year, against a rival, on a nationally televised game.

Posted on: 9/4 1:32 pm
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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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We watched different games I guess. You saw what you wanted to. I saw what I wanted to. I quoted what I wanted, you did as well.

The TD pass was poor. As an OC, I get paid to trick 11th and 12th graders with Bubble Go routes...I don't expect our DBs to blindly fly to the bubble and let their man run past them wide open. The post route didn't go for a TD (to the 1 yd line), but that was a simple post route and our defender turned to the outside and completely lost his man. That was repeated at least 5 times. Not good - Big 12 offenses will eat that up if we don't fix it. They chased the option read back all night and abandoned the QB, DAH especially - not something you'd expect from an all-American candidate. They were horrid.

As for Grier, everything I have heard has been beyond positive in the huddle and locker room. Sorry what you heard in the huddle and on the sidelines was so displeasing.
Grier got off to a bad start on a few passes, then White, Jennings and another receiver all missed one or two right through their hands. Not balls that were 4-5 yards off that they were trying to make a play on - right through their hands (yes, that happened to SkyHo too). His deep balls were pinpoint (though later in the game, some were forced into coverage...but they were still pinpoint).

With ALL THE TIME he had, did you even bother to notice we rolled the pocket and he scrambled on most plays because Sellers was blowing everything up?

Holgy was the one who called them a Top 10 rush defense not me...but then what does he know? I thought they were very good up front...but what do I know?

Ratings after one game? Really? Well, we should've played Liberty or Georgia Southern...wait that pissed everyone off as well (and LOL Baylor!). I doubt the kid from FSU had very good stats before he got hurt...what a disappointment...oh, yeah, he was playing Alabama and the team you are playing against has something to do with it. 80% of that team (VT) damn near beat Clemson in the ACC championship - they brought back over 80%.

We watched and saw different games.
I have no axes to grind or agendas to put forward. I just wish we would've won.
It's just that way.

Posted on: 9/4 2:52 pm
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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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Anybody can plainly see that we went from a QB that no other D1 program wanted (yes he was gritty and a competitor) to a very good, very accurate QB (find Don Nehlen's comments about it after watching practice). We lack wr that can get separation now so they better learn to catch in traffic. Wish SG had stayed. Wish KW hadn't been off for so long. Sills can catch in traffic - that's why he looked like a stud last night. If you can't see that, well, there's no point going forward..

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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I just cant get over why we didnt blitz their qb. Alabama sure as hell blitzes and hits the quarterback. Why dont we?

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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FYI..Alabama HAS been known to lose games, too. Critical ones, in fact. From someone who is still pulling splinters out of his ass from OLD Mountaineer Field, 40 years later, watching Frank Cignetti commit football genocide in a stalactite riddled stadium, I'm a Mountaineer, dag nab it! Go 'Eers. This, too, shall soon pass.

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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I just cant get over why we didnt blitz their qb. Alabama sure as hell blitzes and hits the quarterback. Why dont we?


Because we aren't Bama

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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I worked in Northern Va for yrs can't stand Tech, but I was pleased with game...not outcome.

I called a close game but us winning. Agree with field position.

If we continue to work we will be fine🏈🏈🏈🏈

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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wvufan1818 wrote:
I just cant get over why we didnt blitz their qb. Alabama sure as hell blitzes and hits the quarterback. Why dont we?


Because we aren't Bama


Thats why we wont win like Bama either.

Posted on: 9/4 4:06 pm
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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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Wow. An article with a sensational headline something like,"Fingerpointing from the Mountaineers".

I thought, "uh oh, this is bad".

It went on to say that Will Grier blames himself for the low throw to Sills at the end. Sills say, "no, I should've caught it". Spav says, "I'd like to have a couple calls back" and Tony Gibson says, "The long run by Jackson is totally on him." He didn't want to cover 0 blitz him because he runs so well (that's why we were recruiting him). Tony said, "Sure enough, when I did, he squirted right through A gap and was gone on a huge run".

Sounds like the entire team is hurting but they're saying the right things and looking at it in order to improve. We can't play this one over so make the best of it and fix stuff.

I was surprised to hear that we played 14-15 people total on defense. We had a D-line rotation but everyone else was out there every snap. Tony wouldn't blame fatigue, he put it more on inexperienced mistakes and said it's a tough way to learn but that's how it is.

Still proud of Mountaineer football.

Posted on: 9/4 6:33 pm
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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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Still can't believe the refs or the "neutral field" BS from last night.

When the ref gave the little "First down!" ding ...even the announcers commented on the little flair at the end.

Some neutrality....

Posted on: 9/4 7:02 pm
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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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Quote:

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eers_fan wrote:
I've read everyone else's take on things so now I'll offer some of mine.

That was a fun, exciting but in the end disappointing game.
Somebody had to lose, it sucks it was us.

Will Grier is as advertised. He wasn't inaccurate, nearly every ball was placed where only his guy could get to it. The 4th down play where he was intercepted was excusable...it was 4th down, their defense was all over our playcall, it's okay to try to force something in that case...we lost 2 yards on the pick.

Spavital was pass happy but that was a top 10 run defense with the box loaded...they were all over our backs hence Grier keeping the ball to open up any running game.

Dana was warned about his sideline behavior by Big 12 refs...they called it a "point of emphasis". He didn't throw a huge tantrum but he had been warned it was coming.

Our defensive backs were horrid and got abused a lot. They made fundamental mistakes...turning the wrong way and allowing simple post routes to go uncovered, biting on fake bubble screens and allowing 40 yard TD passes. Askew-Henry chasing the back all night and allowing the QB to run for a TD untouched. The completely unnecessary PI penalty. THAT was our worst area.

It sucks that we lost and we aren't as good as I had hoped...but we are MUCH better than all of these analysts predicted and will fair well in a weak Big 12. Winning 8 or 9 games is achievable. We'll learn a lot as VT begins playing others and does well or does poorly. I think they're good and will do well. I think we are pretty good - a top 20 team.

It still really sucks we lost.


I'm confused on a lot here...

Grier completed less than 60% of his passes last night, even though he continuously had all the time in the world to find his receivers (only looked at jennings), granted it's a small sample size for him, but howard was bashed for his accuracy, yet he was better than 60%, and as advertised? After week 1, Grier has a qb rating of 132, ranking him at 71 of 124 qbs. Is that how he was advertised?

Again, I know it's only been one week, and SOOOOOOO much still needs to play out, but the numbers clearly show Grier was a disappointment last night. The most disappointing aspect for me, was his leadership ability, I don't recall seeing him talking with anybody on the sideline all game.

When did V-Tech become a top 10 rushing defense? They were ranked 42 last year in rushing defense, and we averaged over 6 yards per carry last night, almost identical to our yards per reception. Spavital hasn't been successful at calling plays since his first year at A&M when he had heisman trophy winning qb. Our offense looked identical to watching a Cal game last year, throw every play, constant 3 and out, 30 second drives.

Our DB's surly had some troubles last night, as expected, but they still only gave up 1 touchdown, and less than 250 yards passing, far from horrid.

It's only been one game, I'm not saying the season is over, but that was an absolutely embarrassing way to start the year, against a rival, on a nationally televised game.


I agree with you, other than I think you're being overly harsh on Grier. He was rusty first quarter and was balls out after that. Your take on the VT defense is correct. They flat sucked away from Lane Stadium last year and got lit up by teams like Pitt and Syracuse, even ECU. Their defense isn't that good and we had our way with them all night. It was mistakes. I don't put it on Grier or anyone on offense, nor do I find the DB play as poor as some of you. At least there is hope there, that Henry will get better as he shakes the rust and that is a talented group with a good coach. It's the special teams. No need to look any further than that. If you're finding reasons for losing besides that you're looking to hard. The answer is right in front of you

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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We play three down linemen. I saw hardly any plays where we only rushed three. That means we were blitzing almost every play.

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Re: Virginia Tech 9/3/2017
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Boy howdy, bringing that 4th defender really did wreck havoc on their 5 offensive linemen.

Posted on: 9/5 8:43 am
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