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BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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The following system was initially dreamed up when we had 32 bowl games, back in 2008.

Football Playoff system

My system debunks the whole notion of less money vs. the current bowl system and this system will determine the REAL national champion.

1) 16 team playoff system - take top 16 teams (who cares which poll we use, just use one they all have flaws but, down around the 16th team who really cares)

2) The first 8 games played are going to be played at current bowl locations, rotate through-out the current bowl system on a 4 year cycle, 4 x 8 = 32.

3) Higher ranked teams play at home through-out playoff.

4) National championship game played at a predetermined location.

Why is this system better?

1) Real champion is determined

2) More revenue - under this system 7 extra games played during this playoff system vs. current bowl system.
a)TV will get higher ranking - more advertising $
b)more bowl game locations (playoff fields) will sell out
c)teams that play home games will generate higher revenues
d)the National Championship will become a second super bowl; this NC location will get the highest bidder, cha ching.

You say -

1) Some teams have to possibly play in the cold - so what! And not always true. Only 6 maybe 7 (NC game) games will play in cold weather and for that matter who cares the fans will watch wherever the game is played. What about fans in Green bay and other NFL teams in the north, don't they sell out at -20 degrees.

2) Extra games for athletes - only 14 teams will play more than they would have played and normally they would be practicing during this time anyhow. Most of these teams would be playing in a game after Jan. 1 and they would be practicing during this whole time anyhow.

3) What about finals - they practice anyhow see point #2.

4) What about current bowl system - you will destroy it. No it won't. The fans will still travel go to see their favorite team play in a bowl game.

5) when do you play these games - right after the current season, have the playoffs before Christmas and the NC game after the last game in January - IMAGE THE HYPE.

6) Increased risk of injury - think about it, their might even be less. After each playoff game the athletes won't have anymore practice until spring.

Can you imagine -?
1) Hype = $
2) Real NC
3) This would make March Madness and the NCAA playoff on the same footing.
4) Possibility of fewer injuries
5) The fans would benefit
6) Advertisers would love it
7) Did I say a REAL NATIONAL CHAMPION!

Please pass this along to all AD's, coaches and anyone who will listen.

Posted on: 10/19/2010 7:11 pm
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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.

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I like this idea and I do not like the BcS

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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Second sentence is a MISTAKE!!!

You MUST take Comference Champions FIRST!!!

As you as you input "top 16" you bring ALL of the BIAS right back in!!!

Conference Champions FIRST!!!

That way a coach can build his team early and worh his young kids into the starting line up!!!

You DO remember Pat WHite and STeve Slaton ... DON"T YOU???

Who do you think would have wanted to play US in the second roung of a TRUE Playoff after watching the Sugar Bowl or the Fiesta Bowl???

The Answer ... NOBODY!!!

Playoff MUST include Conference Chanmpions!!!

PERIOD!!!

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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WOW I type FAST some times.

Your Number 1 is a mistake.

As soon as you bring in "rankings" and "Top 16" you bring ALL of the BULLSHIT politics right back into it!!!

Conference Champions MUST GET IN!!!

Regardless of RANKINGS!!!

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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Move the bowl games to the beginning of the season, like college basketball pre-season tournaments. Base the bowl games on the prior years standings.

Should still bring in money.

Posted on: 10/20/2010 5:41 am
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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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I am a playoff proponent.
My concern with the bowls, is you won't sell them out. There is a difference in filling a 18,000-33,000 basketball arena in sibsequent weeks and filling 50,000++ football stadiums in subsequent weeks.
The Bball games draw alot of locals and Bball junkies to help sell those seats.
I don't think you can fill the extra football stadium seats with that many non fans.
Obviously it isn't politics, because i agree with "44". You have to somehow reward regular season conference champions. If you want to have s certain number of "at-large" slots that would be OK.

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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The only way to accomplish a playoff system would be to go to four, 16 team mega conferences based on regions. This would take the top 64 teams in the country.

Each conference would have two divisions, with the winners of the divisions playing in conference championships.

The conference champions (the Final Four) would randomly draw to see who plays who with the winner of those games playing for the national title.

This would still keep bowls in play for deserving teams whether they play in one of the mega conferences or not. This would also eliminate the need to rely on a ranking system to decide who plays for the national championship.

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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The bowls could still work and since we ain't a gettin one dem der playoffs we need to fix what we got.

The voters need to be reevaluated, allow people, have their votes taken away and allow common people to apply for a vote. I'm just a simple everyday go to work joe bag a doughnuts but I watch more college football then some of the voters. How do I know you say? Well Sunday when I saw the Harris Poll still had Nevada ranked 25 knowing the lost to the Rainbow Warriors early that morning. The polls should be due on the Wednesday following those weeks’ games. That gives the voters time to watch games and evaluate. I watched my last game last night, San Diego State over Air Force.

The mind set of the voters needs to change you need a shift in thought process. Polls should not come out no earlier then the 4th week of the season. Why should Alabama be ranked above unbeaten teams from BCS conference? Because bama won it last year and was a preseason favorite. I have heard that Mich. State does not have a shot to win it all because they started out so low. Bull crap, you’re telling me that they could have one of the best teams in school history and not play for the NC because a bunch of jack asses didn't rank them right at the beginning of the season? I do my own top 25 for fun every week just to compare it to the "real" polls, and yes I ranked MSU very low at the beginning of the year if ranked at all, but after beating Bucky Badger and Bitch Rod I put them in the top 10, you can do that hell the AP asks the voters to make large adjustments if needed, but the won't because they are stuck in a lazy and irresponsible thought process. You can argue, no it's a fact, Sparty has more quality wins then Bama does, but because voters refuse to admit that they are wrong a bunch of young men suffer. I could go on and on ranting about how bad these voters suck but who has that kind of time.

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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If you want to see who the AP voters are and how they vote each week go here:
PollSpeak

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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Quote:

sg44gold wrote:
WOW I type FAST some times.

Your Number 1 is a mistake.

As soon as you bring in "rankings" and "Top 16" you bring ALL of the BULLSHIT politics right back into it!!!

Conference Champions MUST GET IN!!!

Regardless of RANKINGS!!!


I agree to a point but I will say most of your conferences could have 2 or more in the playoff system and probably should.
This argument that says every game is a playoff is garbage.
And yes you are correct that someone will always get left out but that is only going to possibly be in the 15 or 16th best teams not the 3rd, 4th or so on that should get a crack at the championship. Look at Boise and TCU. They both got screwed last year when they had to play each other. That didn't prove anything.

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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Worth another try.

Quote:

joedaddyski wrote:
The following system was initially dreamed up when we had 32 bowl games, back in 2008.

Football Playoff system

My system debunks the whole notion of less money vs. the current bowl system and this system will determine the REAL national champion.

1) 16 team playoff system - take top 16 teams (who cares which poll we use, just use one they all have flaws but, down around the 16th team who really cares)

2) The first 8 games played are going to be played at current bowl locations, rotate through-out the current bowl system on a 4 year cycle, 4 x 8 = 32.

3) Higher ranked teams play at home through-out playoff.

4) National championship game played at a predetermined location.

Why is this system better?

1) Real champion is determined

2) More revenue - under this system 7 extra games played during this playoff system vs. current bowl system.
a)TV will get higher ranking - more advertising $
b)more bowl game locations (playoff fields) will sell out
c)teams that play home games will generate higher revenues
d)the National Championship will become a second super bowl; this NC location will get the highest bidder, cha ching.

You say -

1) Some teams have to possibly play in the cold - so what! And not always true. Only 6 maybe 7 (NC game) games will play in cold weather and for that matter who cares the fans will watch wherever the game is played. What about fans in Green bay and other NFL teams in the north, don't they sell out at -20 degrees.

2) Extra games for athletes - only 14 teams will play more than they would have played and normally they would be practicing during this time anyhow. Most of these teams would be playing in a game after Jan. 1 and they would be practicing during this whole time anyhow.

3) What about finals - they practice anyhow see point #2.

4) What about current bowl system - you will destroy it. No it won't. The fans will still travel go to see their favorite team play in a bowl game.

5) when do you play these games - right after the current season, have the playoffs before Christmas and the NC game after the last game in January - IMAGE THE HYPE.

6) Increased risk of injury - think about it, their might even be less. After each playoff game the athletes won't have anymore practice until spring.

Can you imagine -?
1) Hype = $
2) Real NC
3) This would make March Madness and the NCAA playoff on the same footing.
4) Possibility of fewer injuries
5) The fans would benefit
6) Advertisers would love it
7) Did I say a REAL NATIONAL CHAMPION!

Please pass this along to all AD's, coaches and anyone who will listen.

Posted on: 11/20/2011 8:26 am
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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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Why not just have the bowl games in the middle of the season, sort of like an all-star break?

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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DOWN with the BCS!!!

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I know that experts have said the the reason for keeping the bowl system is the money that comes in through the bowl sponsors. Doesn't it seem like a playoff system would generate more money than the current bowl system? You could still have teams that do not qualify for the playoffs play in a bowl game.

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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Wrong with playoff system.

The teams that usually make bowls will no longer enjoy a postseason unless we have a NIT or something. Which means little national exposure to the lesser teams. This will persuade potential recruits to go to the teams in the playsoffs. In other words, the same teams will be in the championship tournament each year. Look at the Big east this year. We would have no one in the top 16. That would mean after Dec 3. no more season and no bowl game for WVU. Now that would take $$ away from a lot of programs.


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Anybody who thinks that a playoff system could or would be constructed as anymore fair and equitable would have to be coon-assed crazy. It'll only result in more teams being left out and more influence exerted by the media. It'll also mean a whole lot less money for most teams, other than those media darlings I allude to.

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Wrong with playoff system.

The teams that usually make bowls will no longer enjoy a postseason unless we have a NIT or something. Which means little national exposure to the lesser teams. This will persuade potential recruits to go to the teams in the playsoffs. In other words, the same teams will be in the championship tournament each year. Look at the Big east this year. We would have no one in the top 16. That would mean after Dec 3. no more season and no bowl game for WVU. Now that would take $$ away from a lot of programs.



You could still have bowl games for teams that do not make the playoffs. I think that the limitations on scholarships and other factors would help prevent the system turning into the haves and the have nots. The financial argument is a red herring so long as the conferences continue to share revenue. WVU has gone to two BCS bowls and had to share the revenue with the other Big East schools, and got its share when they didn't go. It wouldn't necessarily be the top 16 ranked teams that go. You win your conference and you are in.

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.
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First of all it looks like the BCS is dropping down to one national championship game. No AQ BCS bowls or whatever.

Second, the bowls that exist basically cover bowl eligible teams. Playoffs involve a portion of the same teams to play multiple times. So it's impossible to have the same number of bowls handle both playoffs and represent the number of bowl teams that currently play.

The solution is more games, not too much of a problem outside student athlete academic conflicts at end of semester that don't exist now, but there is no oranges to oranges comparison of current bowl system to a playoff system. It will take more games to flesh out the higher tier teams in playoffs and still let everyone else play io a bowl.

As to the alleged problem being solved, that is teams not getting chance to meet, we are actually in the opposite problem this year of major teams already having met and won or lost in regular season.

The alleged solution to the alleged problem stems from faulty assumptions.

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Re: BCS is BS, This is the time for a playoff system.

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We already have a playoff system. It's called the SEC.

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they should extend the regular season by 2-4 games to make it more clear who belongs in the BCS bowls, cuz just cuz if you mess up once doesnt mean you should be out of playing in the National Championship

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