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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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I agree Topshelf, but also Stew or Mullen went with a Zone Option after losing to Syracuse. I'm not questioning running the QB more but i dont know if a Zone Option is the way to go with Geno. I could see some scrambling out of the pocket or possible a Qb draw but to totally reinvent the Offense and go Zone read?

Our O line is horrible, and our Offense has no identity!

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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I saw 5 wide receiver sets in the second half. I am not sure how many - but the net result was that Geno was pressured the entire game and he didn't make adjustments to help him.

I believe having Geno run in the UConn game was a result of this. We don't have an identity on O and having Geno run by design is not the answer.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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Kenny Edenfield of Troy - Spread

Matt Limegrover of Northern Illinois - Pro style power running game and he's an O-line coach

Philip Montgomery of Baylor - Spread that is run heavy, they have a hell of QB there now, he is a co-oc and coaches the QB's and RB's. He was with Briles at Houston; This would be my first interview.

Tony Franklin of La. Tech - Spread, you may remember him as the guy Tubs was forced to hire at Auburn. Franklin is proven but was not given a fair shake at Auburn. He would be my second interview.

Charlie Taaffe no details needed here.

Blake Anderson of Southern Miss. - Spread

Lincoln Riley of ECU - Spread, this is a Mike Leech guy. Young but very good, on second thought this guy needs to be the first phone call.

Or you could have read the thread that already existed.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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West Virginia was 4 and 5 wide first half and definitely used tight ends in the second half. I know this.

They also ran some zone option against Cuse, the difference was Geno did not keep it ever. Mullen probably has him keeping only if it's wide open. Stewart's influence is to run him like Pat White, which he is not.

I agree with you Mike. I don't want to see Geno get more than 4 or 5 carries a game. His development as a passer has been great for a sophomore. The last thing this team needs is a QB with a bum shoulder.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?

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Dkid0 wrote:
I agree Topshelf, but also Stew or Mullen went with a Zone Option after losing to Syracuse. I'm not questioning running the QB more but i dont know if a Zone Option is the way to go with Geno. I could see some scrambling out of the pocket or possible a Qb draw but to totally reinvent the Offense and go Zone read?

Our O line is horrible, and our Offense has no identity!


Hey now...weren't you the one screaming to bring back the zone-read offense just last week?

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?

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You've got a lot of "first calls" there southie!

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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I just love them all, make it a conf. call, may the best man win.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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Running the zone read against Syracuse (which we did probably double digit times) was the absolute last straw. The fact the Mullen even called those plays with that personnel on the field is a joke. If only it were funny. Cuse knew there was no way that Geno was keeping the ball.

The solution of having him keep it the next week (after letting everyone know ahead of time) was just icing on the cake. Looking at Geno and seeing Pat White when what is standing in front of you is Marc Bulger is laughable.

Maybe the problem is that Bill Stewart just thought "Well, he's a black QB lets have him run…"

Southwvboy

Nice list. You put some thought into that.


Devils advocate here: (Which I guess I'm directing at Beast)
To say that Mullen goes before Stewart is not necessarily a given unless that is a decision Stewart makes on his own (which he will not).

Luck being a smart AD (I can hope can't I?) would not force Stew to get rid of Mullen if he in fact is at all considering getting rid of Stew. Reason, the new head coach would want to pick his AD. Hiring the offensive coordinator then a new head coach is like something Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder would do in the NFL. We've seen how well that worked.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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I don't have a problem with a little zone read every once, though I'm certainly not arguing that Geno needs to be running the ball. Teams can get by with a couple QB runs every once in a while to keep defenses honest at the college level.

I think Bill Stewart and other offensive staff are diluting the offense Mullen could be putting on the field. I'd be very interested to see what kind of product Mullen could put on the field if everyone stayed the hell out of his business.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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Devils advocate here: (Which I guess I'm directing at Beast)
To say that Mullen goes before Stewart is not necessarily a given unless that is a decision Stewart makes on his own (which he will not).

Luck being a smart AD (I can hope can't I?) would not force Stew to get rid of Mullen if he in fact is at all considering getting rid of Stew. Reason, the new head coach would want to pick his AD. Hiring the offensive coordinator then a new head coach is like something Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder would do in the NFL. We've seen how well that worked.


That's a good point, I would hate for us to bring in one of those guys I posted for next year, then to see Stew get fired next year and we lose that OC as well. Look what happened at Auburn when Tubbs was forced to bring in Franklin. Tubbs never bought into the spreaed and screwed around with it so much that it costed him his job and Franklin was let go mid-way though the season, of course for Auburn they came out smelling like a rose by getting Gus.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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Realistically, what about the future of Geno Smith? He is not an option read QB but strictly more comfortable as a drop back passer. This team is confusing as hell. They recruit Geno Smith (pro-style but was listed as dual threat), then recruit two top dual threat QB's last year in Brunetti and Johnson and this years only QB recruit is Brian Athey, strictly a pro-style QB. I am not sure that Stew no Mullen know exactly what kind of offense they really want to run.


You just hit the nail on the head. This is a very interesting point, one I had never considered (After my Tajh heartbreak, I don't follow recruiting. But for the record, I ended up liking Geno way better.)

More proof that Mullen has absolutely ZERO idea what he's doing!!!

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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Athey was gifted! Stew took care of an old buddy in the system and the tax payers picked up the bill. Geno is a really good kid, but he is not a dual threat QB. He runs like an old milk cow and shy's away from contact. I've said it before that I suspect the best QB went back to Texas. Regardless of winning percentages, the program is in a downhill slide and will get worse unless major changes are made. We have a good defense because of good coaching and a bad offense because of bad coaching. In the short term, BS needs to appoint someone else OC and let Mullens be the QB coach only and at the end of the year quietly let him go. Coley needs to play QB part of the time and all of the time if Geno plays like he has been the last two games. Brunetti needs to be in the mix as well. We need the big backs on the field most of the time and mix ND in with a blocking back, not a single back set where everyone knows what will happen.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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I really just think if West Virginia limits the mistakes more points are inevitable. They've got to be more disciplined in their assignments. Everyone on the offense is at fault. Individual unit coaches are to blame.

Longer drives are helping to keep the defense off the field. West Virginia is winning the TOP. They need to finish.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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Dkid0 wrote:
I'm not familiar with Rod Smith. I'll do a lil research on him...


Rod Smith is from Franklin. He played HS ball there before playing QB for D-Rod at Glenville. Later he was OC for his dad or uncle for a few yrs at Franklin - I actually played against a few of his teams. He ended up being OC at USF for a few yrs - Sloths (Grothe) breakout year. The last 5-6 yrs he was WVU and UM's QB coach.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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Dkid0 wrote:
I'm not familiar with Rod Smith. I'll do a lil research on him...


Rod Smith is from Franklin. He played HS ball there before playing QB for D-Rod at Glenville. Later he was OC for his dad or uncle for a few yrs at Franklin - I actually played against a few of his teams. He ended up being OC at USF for a few yrs - Sloths (Grothe) breakout year. The last 5-6 yrs he was WVU and UM's QB coach.


I was his center for a spring at Glenville he was the back up QB then and I was the back up center.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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Why Mullen a QB coach? So he can tell QB's not to run?

Rearranged deck chairs on the Titantic are still going down.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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If we're unsure of the identity of our offense then maybe...just maybe this could be confusing recruits.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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New OC?

Mickey?

Minnie?

Goofy?

Daffy?

Posted on: 11/2/2010 10:33 pm
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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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That's the whole plan of the type of offense BS wants, a confusing one. The problem is it confuses BS more than the other teams.

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Re: Realistic! Who would be a good OC?
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Yea Rod Smith is kicking himself everyday for not staying here. His dad was my high school football coach,we talked about it all the time. He didn't stay cause he knew what an idiot stew was, and didn't want to be without a job in two years. I guess he didn't plan on rich rod to do so poorly at MU. He would be great OC and in a couple years probably a good head coach. he has been with rich rod throughout his career at glenville when rich was his coach, at clemson as graduate assistant, served a couple years at USF as the OC, WVU quarterback coach, and MU quarterback coach. At usf he made a couple dumb calls that lost a few games so students were asking for him to get fired, eventually they forgot all about it when his offense contributed to a couple of big wins. Also at USF I think he was the youngest OC in D1 ever or maybe just at the time, not important just thought it was interesting. He ended up leaving, to come to WVU didn't see eye to eye with leavitt anymore. Of course I am little bias since im good friends with his family, but I think he would do a great job as our offensive coordinator.

This is a link that shows what he has done with some quarterbacks like Grothe and blackwell in the past thought it was interesting http://bleacherreport.com/articles/20 ... hievement-under-rod-smith

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