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Re: Fukushima Radation
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How many people have died directly attributable to nuclear power?

How many people have died directly attributable to coal fired plants?

As for radiation that is escaping into the Pacific ocean this is extremely hypocritical. FAR, FAR more radiation was released into the Pacific ocean due to nuclear tests in the 40's and 50's.

I notice that no one focuses on the fact that much of the early reduced radiation is no longer detectable in the ocean. All of the hand wringing over the release of these isotopes....they are gone.

Here is a article from Woods Hole observatory. They do a good job of covering ocean research issues. This article dispels some of the hype. I am not saying this isn't a problem but it has been blown WAY out of proportion.

http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=127297

This is an excellent case where we have an opportunity to solve a real world problem of containment. The Fukushima incident is redefining how we deal with these incidents and the book is being written as we go.

The end fact is that as Woods Hole states, no reliable study has shown a link to ANY dead ocean life. There is no predicted increase in cancer risk to people in the area and no one working at the plant has died.

We need to put this irrational fear of nuclear power behind us. We are exposed to radiation EVERY day. In Western PA our exposure to radon gas would put us in harms way RIGHT now.

In Chernobyl the readings in the average residence is about .2 micro Sieverts per hour. Most of us are exposed to about .04 micro Sieverts per hour. This is certainly more than background radiation. Is it dangerous? No one really knows. I suspect that given the fact that Fukushima's last exclusion zone is 7.5 micro Sieverts per hour is no one is going to notice .2.

The average home that has radon gas in it is exposed .14 micro Sieverts per hour and many houses are MUCH higher than .2.

Would I currently move into a residence in Chernobyl? No. Why? Because there are PLENTY more places to live.If there weren't I would live there and probably would be exposed to less radiation than in my basement.

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Re: Fukushima Radation
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Well ... let's see ... considering the direction human evolution is going left to it's own devices ...

I am inclined to think that maybe throwing some radioactivity into the mix ...

can't make it much WORSE.

We are already headed for a real life Idiocracy ... so what the hell ... throw in the radioactive isotopes.

Posted on: 8/27/2016 9:32 am
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Re: Fukushima Radation

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http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Compa ... -Fukushima-reactor-vessel

Melted fuel likely leaked out into a reactor's containment vessel at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant and is emitting deadly radiation inside, Tokyo Electric Power Co. Holdings reported on Thursday.

Tepco inspected the inside of the No. 2 reactor's containment vessel in late January by inserting a camera on a telescoping pole. The resulting images showed a 1-sq.-meter hole apparently melted into a steel-grating walkway directly beneath the reactor pressure vessel, all but confirming that there was a leak.

Based on the "noise" in the images, the utility estimated that one area of the containment vessel was emitting radiation at a level of 530 sieverts per hour -- enough to kill a human in under a minute. Only emissions up to 73 Sv/hour had been detected before at the reactor, which was crippled by a March 2011 tsunami.


This is one of 3 reactors that all likely suffered the same fate.

Next month marks 6 years.


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Re: Fukushima Radation
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Speaking of nuclear meltdowns. Anyone catch that game last night?

Posted on: 2/6 12:47 pm
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Re: Fukushima Radation
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http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Compa ... -Fukushima-reactor-vessel

Melted fuel likely leaked out into a reactor's containment vessel at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant and is emitting deadly radiation inside, Tokyo Electric Power Co. Holdings reported on Thursday.

Tepco inspected the inside of the No. 2 reactor's containment vessel in late January by inserting a camera on a telescoping pole. The resulting images showed a 1-sq.-meter hole apparently melted into a steel-grating walkway directly beneath the reactor pressure vessel, all but confirming that there was a leak.

Based on the "noise" in the images, the utility estimated that one area of the containment vessel was emitting radiation at a level of 530 sieverts per hour -- enough to kill a human in under a minute. Only emissions up to 73 Sv/hour had been detected before at the reactor, which was crippled by a March 2011 tsunami.


This is one of 3 reactors that all likely suffered the same fate.

Next month marks 6 years.




....and how many people have died from this? None. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

How many people have died directly attributable to the effects of coal fired power plants in this time?

45,000

This assumes that only 7,500 die each year now. In 2010 the number was over 24,000 and that was reduced to 13,000 so these numbers above are conservative.

In fact, for each death from nuclear power the world will see, there will be 4,000 deaths from coal.

Posted on: 2/6 2:45 pm
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Re: Fukushima Radation

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WVisHome wrote:
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http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Compa ... -Fukushima-reactor-vessel

Melted fuel likely leaked out into a reactor's containment vessel at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant and is emitting deadly radiation inside, Tokyo Electric Power Co. Holdings reported on Thursday.

Tepco inspected the inside of the No. 2 reactor's containment vessel in late January by inserting a camera on a telescoping pole. The resulting images showed a 1-sq.-meter hole apparently melted into a steel-grating walkway directly beneath the reactor pressure vessel, all but confirming that there was a leak.

Based on the "noise" in the images, the utility estimated that one area of the containment vessel was emitting radiation at a level of 530 sieverts per hour -- enough to kill a human in under a minute. Only emissions up to 73 Sv/hour had been detected before at the reactor, which was crippled by a March 2011 tsunami.


This is one of 3 reactors that all likely suffered the same fate.

Next month marks 6 years.




....and how many people have died from this? None. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

How many people have died directly attributable to the effects of coal fired power plants in this time?

45,000

This assumes that only 7,500 die each year now. In 2010 the number was over 24,000 and that was reduced to 13,000 so these numbers above are conservative.

In fact, for each death from nuclear power the world will see, there will be 4,000 deaths from coal.


I never pegged you as a pro-nuker.

Multiple people have died. More will from cancer and other radiation illnesses. TEPCO has basically admitted that this disaster will NEVER be cleaned up. The robots they've made last an hour or two.




Where are you getting this 45000 number?

Posted on: 2/7 11:31 am
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Re: Fukushima Radation
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A disputed Russian publication, Chernobyl, concludes that 985,000 premature cancer deaths occurred worldwide between 1986 and 2004 as a result of radioactive contamination from Chernobyl.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o ... n_accidents_by_death_toll



If radioactive material leaked out at Fukushima, people and the environment have been negatively affected.

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