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Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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One of the most monumental and historic blunders of these modern times has just been made.

Obama, Kerry and Clinton seem to think that the batshit CRAZY Ayatollah running Iran gives two craps about any deal made with any foreign leader.

Netanyahu is correct. This is an "Historic Mistake."

Meanwhile, the Ayatollah is sitting somewhere LAUGHING!!! And getting ready to count and SPEND the money on more plutonium/uranium enrichment.

Yea, Iran is trustworthy. Yea, Iran will abide by this "deal." Ha! Ha! Ha!

This "agreement" will lead the world down a DARK path. A VERY DARK path.

Thanks Obama, Kerry and Hiliary.

Posted on: 11/25/2013 10:03 am
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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sg44gold wrote:
One of the most monumental and historic blunders of these modern times has just been made.

Obama, Kerry and Clinton seem to think that the batshit CRAZY Ayatollah running Iran gives two craps about any deal made with any foreign leader.

Netanyahu is correct. This is an "Historic Mistake."

Meanwhile, the Ayatollah is sitting somewhere LAUGHING!!! And getting ready to count and SPEND the money on more plutonium/uranium enrichment.

Yea, Iran is trustworthy. Yea, Iran will abide by this "deal." Ha! Ha! Ha!

This "agreement" will lead the world down a DARK path. A VERY DARK path.

Thanks Obama, Kerry and Hiliary.


Honestly I spent most of the weekend mountain biking and have not had time to read up on this. I tend to agree that this will not be worth the paper it is written on unless we have some serious leverage.

Posted on: 11/25/2013 10:09 am
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
Gettin' Schmitty
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Maybe not, but what do you do other than blockade or invade? It may be a baby step in the right direction.

This isn't going to make us blindly trust them and not continue to monitor the hell out of the situation. Jeez, we're spying on our European allies for crying out loud so this won't change a thing from a security standpoint.

Posted on: 11/25/2013 11:00 am
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Not sure what Hillary has to do with any of this.

She left as Sec of State after the last election, wasn't a part of these negotiations, and has no official capacity in the Obama Administration at all.

That said, it's worth a shot. The rest of the world is on board, we aren't giving up anything at all, and there's a possibility of peacefully avoiding an Iranian nuke.

Everything else is just noise.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Jude wrote:
Not sure what Hillary has to do with any of this.


SHE'S ONE OF THEM MAN....SHE'S ONE OF THEM...

DON'T BE SHEEPLE!!!!

Posted on: 11/25/2013 12:00 pm
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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sg44gold wrote:
One of the most monumental and historic blunders of these modern times has just been made.

Obama, Kerry and Clinton seem to think that the batshit CRAZY Ayatollah running Iran gives two craps about any deal made with any foreign leader.

Netanyahu is correct. This is an "Historic Mistake."

Meanwhile, the Ayatollah is sitting somewhere LAUGHING!!! And getting ready to count and SPEND the money on more plutonium/uranium enrichment.

Yea, Iran is trustworthy. Yea, Iran will abide by this "deal." Ha! Ha! Ha!

This "agreement" will lead the world down a DARK path. A VERY DARK path.

Thanks Obama, Kerry and Hiliary.


Do you have a source, link, or a time machine to go along with this /crazy/ post?

Posted on: 11/25/2013 12:04 pm
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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zwaaa wrote: SHE'S ONE OF THEM MAN....SHE'S ONE OF THEM...



I can't disagree with that assessment, but if it's verifiable and we don't just remove sanctions and start thinking Iran is a trustworthy partner, then this could be a step in the right direction. I haven't seen the details of this (tentative) agreement yet. The Devil is in the details.

And Hillary is one of those Washington "insiders" that liberals are quick to say they want to weed out of government. Until the time goes to actually do so.

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She's the very definition of "ONE OF THEM".

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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wvman75 wrote:
She's the very definition of "ONE OF THEM".


FIGHT THE POWER MAN! JOHN WILKES BOOTHE WAS FRAMED!

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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He shot a Republican who freed people from slavery. I doubt it.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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He shot a Republican who freed people from slavery. I doubt it.


SEAT BELTS ARE A GOVERNMENT PLOT TO MONITOR US IN OUR CARS MAN!

Posted on: 11/25/2013 12:42 pm
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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They said.....as they hacked your car's computer and installed a GPS tracking device without a warrant......


You're just paranoid.

Posted on: 11/25/2013 12:47 pm
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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The old approach was refusing to talk, sanctions, and threats of war. Was that working? I think most people would say no. So time for something new yeah? We could turn the threats into the reality of war. Or we could try talking, negotiating, diplomacy, using a little carrot along with the stick, and see how that goes. I strongly prefer the latter approach. We reassess in 6 months and either continue forward with the new approach if Iran upholds the agreement or we change course if they do not. Seems sensible to me.

Posted on: 11/25/2013 4:08 pm
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
Gettin' Schmitty
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stanleywvu wrote:
The old approach was refusing to talk, sanctions, and threats of war. Was that working?



Well ... actually ... YEA.

They haven't blown anyone up ... yet.

As far as someone asking me for a link ... READ A FREAKING NEWSPAPER, OR TURN ON YOUR COMPUTER, FOOL.

You DO understand that Iran has always made their intentions clear ... right?

They do NOT recognize Isreal's right to exist. And they have continually stated that their long term goal is to wipe Isreal off the map.

But then again, Obama, Kerry and Hilliary don't live in Isreal, do they.

If you truly don't understand this part of world history, then don't comment on it. Iran and the Ayatollah are BATSHIT CRAZY!!! And we are now allowing them to crank up their economy to the tune of $7 Billion dollars which they will use to accomplish their already stated goals.

Or maybe they just need a BIG HUG.

Posted on: 11/26/2013 10:10 am
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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sg44gold wrote:
Well ... actually ... YEA.

They haven't blown anyone up ... yet.

As far as someone asking me for a link ... READ A FREAKING NEWSPAPER, OR TURN ON YOUR COMPUTER, FOOL.

You DO understand that Iran has always made their intentions clear ... right?

They do NOT recognize Isreal's right to exist. And they have continually stated that their long term goal is to wipe Isreal off the map.

But then again, Obama, Kerry and Hilliary don't live in Isreal, do they.

If you truly don't understand this part of world history, then don't comment on it. Iran and the Ayatollah are BATSHIT CRAZY!!! And we are now allowing them to crank up their economy to the tune of $7 Billion dollars which they will use to accomplish their already stated goals.

Or maybe they just need a BIG HUG.


Sigh. So it's one of these threads huh? So after years of attacks from republicans on Obama that his Iran policy was a failure and that they're close and close to nuclear weapons...now suddenly, his program was a success? What paper are you reading that hasn't included years of attacks and stories about how Iran continues to get closer to a weapon?

And..does the paper you read just include the inflammatory language from Iran? Or does it include all the calls for military action against Iran from the US and Israel as well? Yeah, Iran's leadership says some ridiculous stuff. But so does ours. And so does Israel's. To the same extent? No. But let's not pretend that we're boy scouts here. Lets also not forget the clear terrorist actions that have already been taken against Iran. Whether by us or Israel is unclear but blowing up scientists and cyber attacks are terrorist attacks.

Posted on: 11/26/2013 11:33 am
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Deal has no teeth and dos not really do much more than, Do this and we cut back on this.. Do this and we cut back on this, It's nothing more than showmenship. Some one wanted to get in the news for something other than there healthcare law.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Deal has no teeth and dos not really do much more than, Do this and we cut back on this.. Do this and we cut back on this, It's nothing more than showmenship.

Do you know what's actually in the agreement?

Iran agreed to stop adding centrifuges, accepted caps on how much uranium they will enrich, agreed to not enrich any weapons grade uranium at all, halted work on a heavy water reactor which could have provided them with plutonium, and agreed to daily inspection of their nuclear facilities by international inspectors. That's a very significant step and is something they have absolutely resisted previously. In exchange we remove some of the sanctions we've had in place. If they uphold their end of the bargain then we move on to the next step. If not, then we add the sanctions back.

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Some one wanted to get in the news for something other than there healthcare law.

So you mean Russia, China, Britain, France, and Germany all agreed to this to help Obama get out of the news over the ACA? That makes sense to you?

Posted on: 11/26/2013 11:43 pm
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Iran agreed to stop adding centrifuges, accepted caps on how much uranium they will enrich, agreed to not enrich any weapons grade uranium at all, halted work on a heavy water reactor which could have provided them with plutonium, and agreed to daily inspection of their nuclear facilities by international inspectors. That's a very significant step and is something they have absolutely resisted previously. In exchange we remove some of the sanctions we've had in place. If they uphold their end of the bargain then we move on to the next step. If not, then we add the sanctions back.


Sounds like all the same thing they agreed with the last time.. and the time before that.. and the time before that. Don't really care, if they want nukes let em have them. As long as we got ours were good.

Posted on: 11/27/2013 12:06 am
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Billhilly wrote:
Don't really care, if they want nukes let em have them.


In general I agree with that. Ignoring Israel's nukes while threatening to bomb Iran is the height of hypocrisy by the US. Iran knows they face an existential threat with the existing power imbalance so it would be crazy for them to not pursue nukes. As is stands, they have no equal deterrent capability. If I were an Iranian leader I would pursue nukes as well. Only nukes gives them security and autonomy. If the US wanted to ensure a nuclear free middle easy the need to put Israel's on the table. Until then we're not acting in good faith.

Posted on: 11/27/2013 12:23 am
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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In general I agree with that. Ignoring Israel's nukes while threatening to bomb Iran is the height of hypocrisy by the US. Iran knows they face an existential threat with the existing power imbalance so it would be crazy for them to not pursue nukes. As is stands, they have no equal deterrent capability. If I were an Iranian leader I would pursue nukes as well. Only nukes gives them security and autonomy. If the US wanted to ensure a nuclear free middle easy the need to put Israel's on the table. Until then we're not acting in good faith.


My fav quote of all time

"Silly Iran, putting there country right next to our military bases"

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