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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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In general I agree with that. Ignoring Israel's nukes while threatening to bomb Iran is the height of hypocrisy by the US. Iran knows they face an existential threat with the existing power imbalance so it would be crazy for them to not pursue nukes. As is stands, they have no equal deterrent capability. If I were an Iranian leader I would pursue nukes as well. Only nukes gives them security and autonomy. If the US wanted to ensure a nuclear free middle easy the need to put Israel's on the table. Until then we're not acting in good faith.


Quite possibly the DUMBEST thing you have ever posted here.

It is really simple.

SANE poeple are allowed to have guns. INSANE people are NOT allowed to have guns.

Same thing with Nukes. Only infinitely MORE important to keep Nukes out of the hands of INSANE people.

The Ayatollah and his Mullah (I think that is what they are)regime are BATSHIT CRAZY. Period.

They don't seek Nukes to attain an equal deterent. And if you really believe that, then you are dumber than I could have ever possibly imagined.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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The Ayatollah and his Mullah (I think that is what they are)regime are BATSHIT CRAZY. Period.


And what makes thies guys crazy? I mean if the leader of a country being wacky means you can't have nukes, we best get to giving ours up....

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Quite possibly the DUMBEST thing you have ever posted here.


You know...you might be right. It may be the dumbest thing I've ever written on here. And yet it's immensely smarter than anything you've ever posted. Perspective.

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It is really simple.

SANE poeple are allowed to have guns. INSANE people are NOT allowed to have guns.

Same thing with Nukes. Only infinitely MORE important to keep Nukes out of the hands of INSANE people.

The Ayatollah and his Mullah (I think that is what they are)regime are BATSHIT CRAZY. Period.

They don't seek Nukes to attain an equal deterent. And if you really believe that, then you are dumber than I could have ever possibly imagined.


Actually without universal background checks insane people are allowed to have guns. But that's another topic.

As for nukes, Iran has been way less militaristic than the US throughout its history. They do have a record of supporting terrorism. So do we. We just call it something else. They were invaded by a US backed Iraq which went on to use WMDs against them with no objection from the US. To the best of my knowledge Iran has not invaded any country in modern times. How many has the US invaded?

Is Iran a completely innocent victim of US aggression? Or course not. I abhor many of their policies. But they do have a right to exist. They do have a right to security. And as much as I hate to say it, the smart move on their part is to acquire nukes. Given Israel's dominance in the region and the US's uneven, blind support for them, that's the only what they can attain real autonomy. Unless the US changes their foreign policy and proves us to be a trustworthy player in the region their pursuit of nukes is a rational move.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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As for nukes, Iran has been way less militaristic than the US throughout its history. They do have a record of supporting terrorism. So do we. We just call it something else. They were invaded by a US backed Iraq which went on to use WMDs against them with no objection from the US. To the best of my knowledge Iran has not invaded any country in modern times. How many has the US invaded?

... their (Iran's) pursuit of nukes is a rational move.


Wow. Just WOW.

I don't know where you grew up or what schools you went to ... but someone has been filling your head with utter nonsense.

You are so far gone ... I fear there is no saving you.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Wow. Just WOW.

I don't know where you grew up or what schools you went to ... but someone has been filling your head with utter nonsense.

You are so far gone ... I fear there is no saving you.


Read a little history and you'll understand better where I'm coming from.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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History tells us that these people believe that, if you die killing many infidels(us or Israelis), Allah will reward you in Paradise. I want to keep nukes out of the hands of people that believe this.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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History tells us that these people believe that, if you die killing many infidels(us or Israelis), Allah will reward you in Paradise. I want to keep nukes out of the hands of people that believe this.


That's a dogmatic belief that exists in radical Islam. But it's a minority view and not one that has been acted on by the Iranian government. Even so, I would prefer that they not have nukes as well. But what are you willing to do to prevent it?

The US supported the brutally cruel Shah, supported Iraq during its invasion of Iran, supported Iraq's illegal use of chemical weapons against Iran, and we support Israel's possession of nukes while constantly threatening war over Iran's alleged development of the same weapons. Those are historical facts. Also, a look at our polices toward nations that have nukes is fundamentally different than with nations that do no. Again, if Iran is indeed developing nukes it's an entirely rational action, IMO. Unless we're willing to go to war to stop it (which would be complete madness) the only option we have is to change our policies in such a way as to make Iran feel as if nukes are not necessary for them to have existential security. Threats of war and continuing sanctions without diplomacy will only reinforce their need to have nukes for security and will fail over time. Time to try another approach.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Wow! You don't see a difference between the Israelis and the Iranians? The Israelis won't fire except in self preservation. The ayatollahs don't fear death enough for us to take that chance that they won't fire on Israel or give a nuke to a terrorist organization that wants to take out NY or DC.

Won't take a war. The day they become operational 1 Trident's full load first strike option ends all debate. Fire from 150 feet under the Persian Gulf, salvo, the Persians have no counter, the fallout blows into the Karakoram Mountains. The Saudis and other Sunnis are happy, terrorism funding decreases by 2/3, they can then go to Paradise and see Mohammed, so they will be happy. No nukes, decreased terrorism and the nasty USA gets fear and respect from the rest of the world. The Russkis and Chinese won't go to nuclear war for Iran, The French won't speak to us? They already hate us...what's the dif?

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Wow! You don't see a difference between the Israelis and the Iranians? The Israelis won't fire except in self preservation.

Yes, I do see a difference. The Israelis are backed by the US so have nukes and regularly attack their neighbors. Sometimes those attacks are in response to attacks from others. Sometimes they aren't. Sometimes they are proportionate in scale. Sometimes they aren't. I know that Iran is not a bunch of boy scouts but Israel isn't either. You can't ignore the aggression and terrorist attacks that Israel has launched while blaming Iran for being aggressive terrorists. Iran has never invaded any of its neighbors but they have been attacked with US backing.

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The ayatollahs don't fear death enough for us to take that chance that they won't fire on Israel or give a nuke to a terrorist organization that wants to take out NY or DC.

Their actions say otherwise. Again, the US and Israel have been WAY more militaristic than Iran has. What is your evidence that somehow Iran is going to suddenly change course and start attacking people when they haven't done so to date?

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Won't take a war. The day they become operational 1 Trident's full load first strike option ends all debate. Fire from 150 feet under the Persian Gulf, salvo, the Persians have no counter, the fallout blows into the Karakoram Mountains. The Saudis and other Sunnis are happy, terrorism funding decreases by 2/3, they can then go to Paradise and see Mohammed, so they will be happy. No nukes, decreased terrorism and the nasty USA gets fear and respect from the rest of the world. The Russkis and Chinese won't go to nuclear war for Iran, The French won't speak to us? They already hate us...what's the dif?

Ah so you're advocating a nuclear attack to prevent a nuclear attack? Brilliant! Except that it's completely idiocy. But hey, I guess it is in keeping with the US, that shining beacon of peace, being the only country in history to launch a nuclear attack. And as the only country to ever launch a nuclear attack we seem to think we have some moral right to declare who else can have nukes? The hypocrisy is staggering.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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... the Iranian government.



Ha! Ha!

Here's your problem. You actually think Iran has a government.

Ha! Ha!

Can you say Ayatollah?

Posted on: 12/3/2013 11:46 am
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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Ha! Ha!

Here's your problem. You actually think Iran has a government.

Ha! Ha!

Can you say Ayatollah?


Well it be possible to have an interesting discussion about the Iranian form of government but you would have to recognize that they have one first. Why? Because they do. The Ayatollah plays a huge role in parts of Iran's governance but is hands off in others. Though there has been ebb and flow in how much autonomy the elected officials have vs the Ayatollah and some elections have been fairer than others, it's completely misinformed to believe that the elected government does not exist or has no real role. It does. Also, it would be interesting to compare their government now with what they had under the US backed Shah. I think you'd come to the conclusion that today's government is more democratic than what we propped up before.

But.regardless of their form of government, the facts don't change. Iran has not invaded any neighbors though they have been invaded by US backed forces.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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So far so good on the Iran nuke deal. Maybe we didn't need to launch another war after all?!?!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/0 ... ear-idUSBREA3G0FL20140417

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Are Obama, Kerry and Hillary REALLY this stupid ...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u ... deal/ar-AAdgNd9?ocid=iehp





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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Are Obama, Kerry and Hillary REALLY this stupid ...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u ... deal/ar-AAdgNd9?ocid=iehp






Explain what is stupid about it and other options regarding Iran having nuclear weapons. Let me help you. The other option is to have a 3rd Middle East war and do you really think that the NSA and the US Military are just going to ignore what Iran is doing because of this deal and that a military option just goes away if Iran cheats?

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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The ENTIRE premise of making a "deal" with Iran is stupid, more like insane.

If I have to explain it to you, then nevermind.

What part of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" don't you understand???

And, SURE, our military can act ... AFTER the mushroom cloud is rising.

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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What is the alternative to making this deal and how does this deal make that mushroom cloud any more likely?


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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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MdMounty wrote:
What is the alternative to making this deal and how does this deal make that mushroom cloud any more likely?



It's not my job to do your research for you. I think you can figure that one out on your own.

This "deal" gives enormous benefits to THREE Countries ... and the USA isn't one of them.

Iran, China and Russia will reap HUGE benefits from this "deal."

Imagine that, a radical Muslim extremist nation; and two hardline Communist nations. Obama's actions speak louder than his words.

And the TWO biggest losers will be the USA and Israel.

Thanks Obama!!!

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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Imagine that, a radical Muslim extremist nation; and two hardline Communist nations. Obama's actions speak louder than his words.



Now imagine that country with a nuclear weapon and having to go to war with that country.

Asking me to research it is a supreme cop out. You can't give me an alternative because there isn't one other than starting another war.

China? Do you know anything about the economic relationship between the US and China?

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Re: Obama, Kerry and Hilliary Clinton Make a Deal With the Devil (Iran)!!!
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There were and ARE alternatives.

If you are as intellgent as you THINK you are, you already know what they are.

PS - Did Obama step up and back the Iranian youth??? Do you even remember what I am talking about???

PSS - If SANCTIONS got Iran to the negotiating table, what do you think DOUBLING the sanctions would have done???

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