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Re: I'm with her
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eer_4da_beer wrote:

FBI confirms decision to not recommend charges for Clinton..

So to recap:

No charges recommended = political

New emails discovered = not political

Wait for it...

Still not recommending charges = political again.


It was all political, and it worked too. Got everyone's attention off of the real stuff in Wikileaks, and the media could spend the last 10 days talking about the 600,000 emails that now add up to nothing. They will spend the next two days talking about how the investigation was dropped. By then the election will be over. WAG THE DOG and d@mn they are good at it. They only had to sacrifice one Weiner in the process.


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Re: I'm with her
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https://youtu.be/iiywDVCPzwI

Ok so he didn't actually say illegal immigrants can vote, but they sure got the point across

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Re: I'm with her
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How'd that work out for you?

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Re: I'm with her
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How'd that work out for you?


Eh. At least it is likely my facebook feed will be less full of absurd anti-Clinton stuff. She's out of politics now. Plus, this means we don't have to find out just how serious those militia nuts were about launching a war if Clinton was elected. Or the damage done if Trump refused to accept the election results were he to have lost.

So, that is the bright side. Clinton seems to have taken the high road in conceding rather than being a jerk and possibly dragging it out with legal challenges. She deserves a measure of credit for that, as it might not have been so had things gone the other way.

The irony is that she thought she was baiting Trump into saying bigoted things, when in reality Trump doing so baited and derailed Clinton from making a case as to why her policies would be better for those so far left behind by the changing economy. That was likely the difference.



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Re: I'm with her
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Her policies never mattered. A 30 year campaign to get folks to hate her was too much to overcome. She lost because the constant badgering of her made folks not come out to vote. She didn't inspire African Americans or young voters to actually show up.

questions now that she's out of politics:

Will Republicans stop trying to pretend that she's a criminal for the emails (and stop spending millions of tax dollars on hearings)...or will they keep moving forward? If they stop doesn't that prove that they were only in it for the politics? Will Trump join in to lock her up or will that be the first campaign promise that he breaks?

Who will right-wing radio and foxnews vilify as the new boogeyman?

Posted on: 11/9/2016 6:22 am
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Re: I'm with her
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Her policies never mattered. A 30 year campaign to get folks to hate her was too much to overcome. She lost because the constant badgering of her made folks not come out to vote. She didn't inspire African Americans or young voters to actually show up.

questions now that she's out of politics:

Will Republicans stop trying to pretend that she's a criminal for the emails (and stop spending millions of tax dollars on hearings)...or will they keep moving forward? If they stop doesn't that prove that they were only in it for the politics? Will Trump join in to lock her up or will that be the first campaign promise that he breaks?

Who will right-wing radio and foxnews vilify as the new boogeyman?


They've already tacitly admitted it was about the politics. Trump locking her up would require him completely subvert justice in a myriad of ways. Getting a jury conviction when the FBI already found there is no "there" there is a practically daunting task. Trump might decide to derail the justice system to hunt his white whale though. He's not been governed by reason to this point.

I don't know who the scapegoat will be. There is a good chance they scapegoat along racial lines. If it has to be one person, I have a sneaking suspicion that it might take a bit of time, but it will be Trump.


Posted on: 11/9/2016 9:10 am
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Re: I'm with her
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eer_4da_beer wrote:
Her policies never mattered. A 30 year campaign to get folks to hate her was too much to overcome. She lost because the constant badgering of her made folks not come out to vote. She didn't inspire African Americans or young voters to actually show up.

questions now that she's out of politics:

Will Republicans stop trying to pretend that she's a criminal for the emails (and stop spending millions of tax dollars on hearings)...or will they keep moving forward? If they stop doesn't that prove that they were only in it for the politics? Will Trump join in to lock her up or will that be the first campaign promise that he breaks?

Who will right-wing radio and foxnews vilify as the new boogeyman?


They've already tacitly admitted it was about the politics. Trump locking her up would require him completely subvert justice in a myriad of ways. Getting a jury conviction when the FBI already found there is no "there" there is a practically daunting task. Trump might decide to derail the justice system to hunt his white whale though. He's not been governed by reason to this point.

I don't know who the scapegoat will be. There is a good chance they scapegoat along racial lines. If it has to be one person, I have a sneaking suspicion that it might take a bit of time, but it will be Trump.



Find a jury from the DMV and you'll get a conviction. People who have security clearances are deeply disturbed on what she and her staff did. Remember the old slogans like, "Loose lips sink ships'? That is true. Imagine her server getting hacked with war plans or whatever she had on it, could cost the lives of many Americans. You all may not think it is a big deal but can tell you that everyone else doing what she did even once would result in the loss of a job and clearance.

Posted on: 11/9/2016 2:05 pm
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Re: I'm with her
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Her hubris and lack of adherence to the important rules of her office(s)and using the Federal Govt as a gift-swapping rich uncle if you donated to Clinton Inc. That's what finally repulsed law-abiding Americans to reject her.

Posted on: 11/9/2016 2:37 pm
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Re: I'm with her
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How'd that work out for you?


Eh. At least it is likely my facebook feed will be less full of absurd anti-Clinton stuff. She's out of politics now. Plus, this means we don't have to find out just how serious those militia nuts were about launching a war if Clinton was elected. Or the damage done if Trump refused to accept the election results were he to have lost.




Yeah at least now we are only stuck with the continuation of riots from the left wing socialist crazies. BLM and the sort. If you want to talk about extremists.

Posted on: 11/9/2016 3:43 pm
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Re: I'm with her
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Find a jury from the DMV and you'll get a conviction. People who have security clearances are deeply disturbed on what she and her staff did. Remember the old slogans like, "Loose lips sink ships'? That is true. Imagine her server getting hacked with war plans or whatever she had on it, could cost the lives of many Americans. You all may not think it is a big deal but can tell you that everyone else doing what she did even once would result in the loss of a job and clearance.


I have problems with your factual assertions, mainly the war plan stuff as a lot of classified/confidential information is banal stuff, especially in diplomatic circles. But that isn't all that relevant.

The problem with the jury is finding a panel that haven't formed an opinion. Then you have to convince them of something beyond a reasonable doubt that a Republican FBI head found to not be worth charging. Good luck.

The big problem is the section of law that she allegedly violated, the part about gross negligence. As I understand it, the only people ever convicted under it were those that took a plea deal to avoid a bigger charge. Nobody has ever been taken to trial and convicted under it. This is because it is a badly written law. It was bad in 1919 when it was written, and it is worse now that the way information is shared is totally different. Plus, it is arguably unconstitutionally vague. It is a crappy section of an antique law.

If the Republicans are serious about protecting national security in the digital age, they should try passing a clearer law.


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Re: I'm with her
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Yeah at least now we are only stuck with the continuation of riots from the left wing socialist crazies. BLM and the sort. If you want to talk about extremists.


At this point, anyone so far to the left that they can be considered dangerous extremists hate Clinton more than you do. The election isn't all that relevant to them.

If you think BLM represents an extreme point of view, you might need to get out more. I know people so far to the left that they think walking upright is a mistake or that human beings should be extinct. I'm not kidding.








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Re: I'm with her
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UncleFestus wrote:

Find a jury from the DMV and you'll get a conviction. People who have security clearances are deeply disturbed on what she and her staff did. Remember the old slogans like, "Loose lips sink ships'? That is true. Imagine her server getting hacked with war plans or whatever she had on it, could cost the lives of many Americans. You all may not think it is a big deal but can tell you that everyone else doing what she did even once would result in the loss of a job and clearance.


I have problems with your factual assertions, mainly the war plan stuff as a lot of classified/confidential information is banal stuff, especially in diplomatic circles. But that isn't all that relevant.

The problem with the jury is finding a panel that haven't formed an opinion. Then you have to convince them of something beyond a reasonable doubt that a Republican FBI head found to not be worth charging. Good luck.

The big problem is the section of law that she allegedly violated, the part about gross negligence. As I understand it, the only people ever convicted under it were those that took a plea deal to avoid a bigger charge. Nobody has ever been taken to trial and convicted under it. This is because it is a badly written law. It was bad in 1919 when it was written, and it is worse now that the way information is shared is totally different. Plus, it is arguably unconstitutionally vague. It is a crappy section of an antique law.

If the Republicans are serious about protecting national security in the digital age, they should try passing a clearer law.



Ignorance is no excuse. Look at what they did to GEN Petraeus and now GEN Cartwright. There is a means but they are too scared, but of course, Im sure you knew that.

Posted on: 11/9/2016 7:55 pm
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Re: I'm with her
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Ignorance is no excuse. Look at what they did to GEN Petraeus and now GEN Cartwright. There is a means but they are too scared, but of course, Im sure you knew that.


The only thing anyone contemplating charging her was scared of was being laughed out of court.

Running that private server was likely a mistake, but it was neither novel nor criminal. During the Bush years, a lot of business was done on the RNC server to avoid FOIA issues. Not many people cared, even when it became a small scandal.

There just isn't a crime here. Unlike the people you mention, there is no evidence whatsoever of her turning stuff over to journalists or other governments.


Posted on: 11/10/2016 10:58 am
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Re: I'm with her
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Yeah at least now we are only stuck with the continuation of riots from the left wing socialist crazies. BLM and the sort. If you want to talk about extremists.


At this point, anyone so far to the left that they can be considered dangerous extremists hate Clinton more than you do. The election isn't all that relevant to them.

If you think BLM represents an extreme point of view, you might need to get out more. I know people so far to the left that they think walking upright is a mistake or that human beings should be extinct. I'm not kidding.









Yeah they are the ones that's been caught paying and bussing the BLM protesters around the country. They have been exposed as well. It's just the knuckle dragging boots on the ground that is the face of the disturbance.

I've got to give you credit. So many are willing to wield the words redneck and conspiracy theorist around without actually naming what's truly rotten in our society.

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Re: I'm with her
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Yeah they are the ones that's been caught paying and bussing the BLM protesters around the country. They have been exposed as well. It's just the knuckle dragging boots on the ground that is the face of the disturbance.

I've got to give you credit. So many are willing to wield the words redneck and conspiracy theorist around without actually naming what's truly rotten in our society.


The main thing rotten in our society is a lack of skepticism and critical thinking. Too many people don't care what is true or not and just want what they read or see to confirm their bias. The world is slowly turning into my facebook feed.

Read a headline that one of the FBI agents on the Clinton e-mail investigation died under dubious circumstances? Must be true... never mind that the newspaper the article purports to be from doesn't exist in the real word and that the website only has that story on it. Or that no other source has reported it. Just believe it. The Clintons are evil, right? Must have had the guy whacked.

Trump was arrested for raping a 13 year old girl? Must be true! Trump is such a perv. Never mind it is a civil case and the person filing it has filed and then dropped it in a few places and it allegedly happened in like 1978 and there is pretty much zero evidence. Screw facts, it fits with my bias!

There is no point worrying about the particulars of anything political when people are this gullible. Best liar usually wins.

In this case, it was the Albanian teenagers posting a lot of these nonsense headlines on facebook. They made a few bucks. I almost feel sorry for the people who have been living off of making people mad about the Clintons. I think that gravy train might be coming to a stop soon.

Posted on: 11/10/2016 3:35 pm
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Re: I'm with her
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Well there definitely is plenty of misinformation going around these days.

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Re: I'm with her
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Sandstone56 wrote:
I wish you Trump lovers could have him as your president and the rest of us could have Clinton.

Bump

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Re: I'm with her
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Sandstone56 wrote:
I wish you Trump lovers could have him as your president and the rest of us could have Clinton.

Bump


Interesting. One would think a so called libertarian would make a claim to have Gary Johnson as their president. That is of course if you voted for your libertarian candidate.

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