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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Pitt Hater
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Obamacare Choices Could Go From One to Zero in Some Areas

https://nytimes.com/2017/03/31/upshot/ ... one-to-zero-in-some-areas

Posted on: 4/1 2:02 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
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EERY wrote:
Obamacare Choices Could Go From One to Zero in Some Areas

https://nytimes.com/2017/03/31/upshot/ ... one-to-zero-in-some-areas


The system needs tweaks. Nothing this complicated has ever worked perfectly right out of the box. The ACA as a concept is about as market based a system meant to cover everyone is going to get, and it is too bad the GOP has, for 100% political reasons, demonized it as a creation of the liberals that must be destroyed.

Some areas are not profitable for insurance companies. The solution would be to somehow create broader insurance pools or tweak the subsidy formulation. There are solutions, but when the party controlling congress wants the thing to fail... the thing is probably going to fail.




Posted on: 4/3 11:13 am
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Pitt Hater
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All 3 WVa. reps joined in the House vote to repeal ACA. According to PBS, the Republicans are cutting $880 billion from medicare expansion. To pick up some quasi-moderate Republican votes, the leadership generously added $8 billion to pay for insurance subsidies. The repeal vote only passed by 3 or 4 votes, and is doomed in the Senate.

Posted on: 5/4 6:26 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Pitt Hater
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Capito stated that some of the bill that passed through the house will need to be re-written to pass through the Senate. Then it will need to be voted on again in the House. Thats a lot of moving parts but nothing surprises me at this point

Posted on: 5/4 9:13 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
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If this passes as written, it's tantamount to mass murder. Millions will die. Much of the damage will occur in red states. File under - 'Help the rich get richer.' This game is so tired. What will it take for the people to realize how badly they've been fooled?

Posted on: 5/4 10:19 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
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Millions will die.


Happens every day. Actually, it's been happening for a while now. Healthcare is not a human right, it is a service that has, until recently, been provided by a free market. Forcing someone else to pay for your healthcare under threat of legal action or worse is also called theft.

Posted on: 5/5 12:58 am
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Pitt Hater
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hill_William wrote:

Millions will die.


Happens every day. Actually, it's been happening for a while now. Healthcare is not a human right, it is a service that has, until recently, been provided by a free market. Forcing someone else to pay for your healthcare under threat of legal action or worse is also called theft.


I disagree. Electricity, the highway system, basic infrastructure isn't a human right but it's something that benefits us all. Universal Heathcare should be considered as vital to the american lifestyle as highways and clean water.

Posted on: 5/5 11:28 am
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Gettin' Schmitty
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hill_William wrote:
If this passes as written, it's tantamount to mass murder. Millions will die.



This is just stupid. You should be embarrassed you posted this.

Posted on: 5/5 12:10 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Gettin' Schmitty
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I disagree. ... Universal Heathcare should be considered as vital to the american lifestyle as highways and clean water.


Health CARE or Health INSURANCE???

Big difference.

I bet you can't give me two examples over the last 50 years of people that were denied life saving health CARE.

Posted on: 5/5 12:12 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Pitt Hater
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Hospitals don't administer chemotherapy for free.

Posted on: 5/5 1:57 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Grant Ave. Warrior
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sg44gold wrote:
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hill_William wrote:
If this passes as written, it's tantamount to mass murder. Millions will die.



This is just stupid. You should be embarrassed you posted this.


It's not stupid, it's true. I'm not embarrassed. Next.

Posted on: 5/5 2:20 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Gettin' Schmitty
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It's not true and you should be embarrassed.

hill_ = hmmm ... is that YOU Hillary???

Posted on: 5/5 3:00 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Grant Ave. Warrior
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sg44gold wrote:
It's not true and you should be embarrassed.

hill_ = hmmm ... is that YOU Hillary???


It is & I'm not. Gosh - we could do this all day. What fun. Reminds me of elementary school.

Posted on: 5/5 3:36 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
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Strohs wrote:
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jjmwvu wrote:
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hill_William wrote:

Millions will die.


Happens every day. Actually, it's been happening for a while now. Healthcare is not a human right, it is a service that has, until recently, been provided by a free market. Forcing someone else to pay for your healthcare under threat of legal action or worse is also called theft.


I disagree. Electricity, the highway system, basic infrastructure isn't a human right but it's something that benefits us all. Universal Heathcare should be considered as vital to the american lifestyle as highways and clean water.


Look, if you want to talk about life saving treatment for someone who genuinely can't pay, then there is a discussion to be had. But the ACA has never been nor will ever be solely about life saving treatment. It covers just about everything under the sun. I just find it interesting that it suddenly becomes just about life saving treatment to some when it is threatened with repeal.

Posted on: 5/5 7:37 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Grant Ave. Warrior
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jjmwvu wrote:
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Strohs wrote:
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jjmwvu wrote:
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hill_William wrote:

Millions will die.


Happens every day. Actually, it's been happening for a while now. Healthcare is not a human right, it is a service that has, until recently, been provided by a free market. Forcing someone else to pay for your healthcare under threat of legal action or worse is also called theft.


I disagree. Electricity, the highway system, basic infrastructure isn't a human right but it's something that benefits us all. Universal Heathcare should be considered as vital to the american lifestyle as highways and clean water.


Look, if you want to talk about life saving treatment for someone who genuinely can't pay, then there is a discussion to be had. But the ACA has never been nor will ever be solely about life saving treatment. It covers just about everything under the sun. I just find it interesting that it suddenly becomes just about life saving treatment to some when it is threatened with repeal.


You are aware that many lives can be saved by regular checkups & pre-emptive care along the way, yes? A lot cheaper to prevent things this way than to wait wait until they fester into an emergency situation.

Posted on: 5/5 7:52 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Gettin' Schmitty
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DOA Senate

Posted on: 5/5 9:00 pm
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Pitt Hater
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From Frederick, MD
Posts: 2475
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wheelert wrote:
DOA Senate


Probably.

The ACA is too effed up to fix and neither party will ever help either party replace it with something better. The only path forward is the ACA will eventually fail creating a huge crisis and the Feds will take over the whole damn thing.

Might as well go to single payer now and get it over with sooner rather that later. I'm tired of paying over $1400 a month for a $2500 deductible each for all three of us in the family. And then it only covers 80% of the bill after copay when you finally, if ever meet your deductible for a given year.

This is the great individual market Obama left for the self employed and people that are not in the Marketplace or are not getting insurance through work. Plus we can't band together to create economies of scale. And to top it off, our insurance cost is no longer tax deductible.

So really I don't want to hear any crying about the poor saps who can't afford health insurance. I'm tired of getting FUCKED while 10 million jerk wads get subsidized insurance from my tax dollars. At least if we go to single payer I'll have the happy ILLUSION ITS FREE.

And yes I said jerk wads. Reminds me of a story. One of my sons old high school buddies was at the time 22, living off the parents in the basement. barely working and dealing weed. He scraped together enough money to buy one of the fastest 500 cc Polaris racing four wheelers. He was jumping the thing and wrecked and it landed on him. Who could have predicted that? Messed his back up real bad. The hospital during emergency surgery put some plates in and sewed him up the best they could but he desperately needed more surgeries. So there he is stuck back in the basement bawling on the phone to my son, who is out working scrapping together enough money to pay rent and health insurance, that his life is over, he can't work, is in constant pain, can barely walk etc etc etc. My son basically told him sorry about your luck, but you're an idiot. The world is full of these redneck idiots that don't work and freeload and then when something happens they are stuck and the rest of us are stuck with the bill.

Meanwhile those of us who try to do the right thing and pay our own way get screwed. So I don't know what you do with the jerk wad above. Of course we want to fix him up and get him off the dole and hopefully someday out as a contributing member of society. But it's probably a case of good money after bad. You can't fix stupid no matter how much you invest. I've often thought it's one of cruelest laws of nature that the decisions we make from the ages of say 16 to 22 have the by far the greatest long term impact on your life, yet you are the least prepared in terms of experience and maturity to make them.

Posted on: 5/6 12:10 am
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)

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i think we can all agree that hospital bills are ridiculous and so are the medicines. those prices should be addressed at some point.

Posted on: 5/6 1:31 am
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Makin' it Rain
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From Canonsburg, PA
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Quote:

sg44gold wrote:
Quote:

Strohs wrote:

I disagree. ... Universal Heathcare should be considered as vital to the american lifestyle as highways and clean water.


Health CARE or Health INSURANCE???

Big difference.

I bet you can't give me two examples over the last 50 years of people that were denied life saving health CARE.


Harvard said in 2009 that 45,000 people died every year due to lack of health coverage.

[url=news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/]

Now this may well be higher than actual as other studies have found a lower number. However, the fact is that studies have shown that lack of health insurance, apparently correlates to lack of health CARE because at the end of the day the person is still dead.

Even if the number is closer to the lower number published by the Institute of Medicine, the fact is that OVER 18,000 die annually.

This is why when conservatives march out the one person in all of Canada that suffered from the Canadian healthcare system we laugh because you will need 17,999 people lined up behind them to counteract NOT having any system in place.

The new healthcare system, without a mandate will be a disaster. I agree with others on here that Obamacare was a mess too.

SOmething has to be done about the root cause of healthcare costs rising like crazy. To give a simple example from my situation (I realize that this is just me but I can't help thinking this is ubiquitous when I have had this situation OVER AND OVER).

This year I am supposed to have a colonoscopy. No big deal. This is not a particularly cutting edge new technology. Colonoscopies have been done for a LONG time. Got a quote on December 1, 2016 for planning purposes: $950.

On January 1, I get the quote again to plan and the quote is $1060. That is an 11.6% increase!!!!! For shoving a camera up my ass!!!!! Now I realize that these fees are not negotiated EVERY year but they are negotiated frequently.

Add to that my premium going up 7-10% per year, that my deductible in 10 years has gone from $1,500 to $7,500 and you can see that the "real end" healthcare costs have apparently been going up more than the costs of everything else in our economy combined.

I have no idea where this money is going! My doctor bitches about the money he makes, the nurses admit they are doing pretty well but far away from %10 raises per year, the hospitals are consolidating because apparently they need to cut costs and the insurance companies are withdrawing from competitive markets because it is a money loser. Pardon me if I think SOMEONE in this little game is playing "dirty poker".

My suspicion is that it is the insurance companies because they realize that they could get ALMOST the same amount of money from customers with covering a lot less.

At the end of the day, I can't wait for them to get rid of pre-existing conditions. Then all the conservatives can eat crow when, at the end of the day, our health insurance won't go down as it supposedly should and we can all realize how badly we have been taken by the insurance industry.

With that being said if you don't have a mandate to buy health insurance you are going to have a big problem. People in my situation will not buy health insurance and "save" up elective procedures and then buy coverage when it makes sense. This will be a real problem for the Insurance companies.

EDIT: A single payer system is the only way I see to make it work.

Posted on: 5/7 8:59 am
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Re: Repeal and Replace (ACA)
Pitt Hater
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I would like to see them leave Obamacare alone for the people that need it, but then divorce it from the rest of the health insurance system. Let the free market cover everyone else who doesn't want to be on Obamacare. Let the government provide the subsidized insurance as a stand alone system, decoupled from the greater system.

Why do the rules of Obamacare have to apply to all of us if we don't participate in the exchanges? Kill the personal mandate (it's not working anyway), open up competition across state lines, stop making people pay for insurance coverages they don't want or need, and drop all the job killing and economy killing rules of Obamacare. Keep the mandatory coverage for pre-existing conditions in Obamacare, but make it optional for the free market. So what if all this drives up the cost to keep Obamacare afloat. We'll make it up with a better economy and lower out of pocket costs for everyone else.

Posted on: 5/7 9:07 pm
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