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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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https://theclemsoninsider.com/2018/06/ ... look-at-west-virginia-te/

Kids getting some interest from D1 programs but is off our radar? You gotta keep the limited talent we got in state if you want to be successful.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Name the last tight end who was an integral part of our offense.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Tyler Urban was a HUGE piece of the Holgy system and our success. He was one of our more sure handed receivers and a reliable outlet when we played good teams (e.g., LSU).

Redzone success has suffered lately. Anyone who doesn't realize the advantage of big bodied TEs from a schematic viewpoint doesn't know much about football. The flexibility of someone who can be a blocker and pass catcher gives you options from a play calling standpoint. It also takes away options from a defense's play calling because the delayed route is always a possibility with a RPO.

Check what Kliff did with Amaro in 2013. Took an decent TE to AA status and 1st round pick. TEs can (and do) work in the air raid, if used properly.

Holgy realizes this. That why he chased Wesco and brought in the kid from Miami. We're looking for a good TE. Just haven't found one.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Tyler Urban was a HUGE piece of the Holgy system and our success. He was one of our more sure handed receivers and a reliable outlet when we played good teams (e.g., LSU).

Redzone success has suffered lately. Anyone who doesn't realize the advantage of big bodied TEs from a schematic viewpoint doesn't know much about football. The flexibility of someone who can be a blocker and pass catcher gives you options from a play calling standpoint. It also takes away options from a defense's play calling because the delayed route is always a possibility with a RPO.

Check what Kliff did with Amaro in 2013. Took an decent TE to AA status and 1st round pick. TEs can (and do) work in the air raid, if used properly.

Holgy realizes this. That why he chased Wesco and brought in the kid from Miami. We're looking for a good TE. Just haven't found one.


Yup agreed, Urban only may have had 2 TDs and 200+ receiving yards his Senior year, but he did help open up the offense a bit, and he obviously wasn't too shabby if he's still playing in the NFL.

It'd be great to have a couple back-up options for TDs in the red-zone, Sills is a beast, and we have tall receivers, but a little 3-4 yard dump off to a TE is still almost unstoppable, and our red zone production has been poor to say the least.

I think Jovani Haskins will be fun to watch this season, if Holgy can get Spavital's head out of his ass, he'll be able to utilize a lot of new looks that could keep some of our Big 12 opponents off guard, I'm hoping we keep a lot of em hidden until necessary.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Name the last tight end who was an integral part of our offense.


My point was that when I think of our offense, "dominant tight end" doesn't jump out and scream at me. I'm not sure 4 or 5 star tight ends see it any differently.

I don't object to getting or having a prolific TE, just making the point that I think with our present schemes, from a prospect's point of view, we're better known for producing WR's or DB's.

Posted on: 6/3 5:00 pm
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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^ This.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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But he isn't a 4-5 star. He is not even rated according to 24/7.

If one of the top teams in the country can find its way to southern WV for an unranked recruit but our own staff is oblivious and isn't showing interest, it's a bad sign about our ability to recruit our own backyard.

I love Dana. I'm a Dana guy. But this is not a good look. If I recall correctly, Stew visited every HS in WV every year. It was a policy of his. This type of policy might better help us snag some of the instate talent.

Part of the formula for our success is that we MUST keep the limited talent in-state. We cannot afford to miss out on our own kids.

A few months away. Ready to talk about actual football again.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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That's who I thought of. And before that...Jim Braxton?

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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But he isn't a 4-5 star. He is not even rated according to 24/7.

If one of the top teams in the country can find its way to southern WV for an unranked recruit but our own staff is oblivious and isn't showing interest, it's a bad sign about our ability to recruit our own backyard.

I love Dana. I'm a Dana guy. But this is not a good look. If I recall correctly, Stew visited every HS in WV every year. It was a policy of his. This type of policy might better help us snag some of the instate talent.

Part of the formula for our success is that we MUST keep the limited talent in-state. We cannot afford to miss out on our own kids.

A few months away. Ready to talk about actual football again.


I get what you're saying, to a degree, about in-state recruits. On the other hand, I'd rather have a 3-star from out of state than an unranked from in-state. This kid, as you said, isn't even ranked, and my point was we're not exactly a tight end destination, anyway...at least, not yet..

I get what you're saying 100% about being ready to talk about actual football!

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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This kid is the second WV HS TE in the 2019 cycle with big boy interest. Brenton Strange from Parkersburg already has offers from Rutgers and Purdue. I doubt WVU offers either of them.

Why? We don't need TEs. We have a redshirt senior in Wesco, a redshirt sophomore in Haskins, and two true freshmen in Banks and O'Laughlin. We have only offered two TEs for the whole 2019 cycle, and we aren't getting either of them. With the recent additions, it isn't a priority. There are greater needs at almost every other roster spot.

I hate to see homegrown kids go elsewhere, but this is just one of those cases of bad timing. If this were last year, we would be all over both of them.

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That's who I thought of. And before that...Jim Braxton?


No. Mark Raugh was one of Oliver Luck's favorite receivers. He led the team in catches in 1981 and is 13th all-time for catches in a season.

We've had several good ones since Braxton played TE his senior year (1970), including Nate Stephens, Randy Swinson, Mark Raugh, Keith Winn, Sean Berton, Lovett Purnell and Will Johnson.

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Not doubting we've had some good ones, and you're absolutely right about Raugh, I forgot him.

Would you consider the rest of your list as "integral"?

I loved Randy Swinson (RIP) and will never forget the catch in the '75 Pitt game to set up THE field goal, but he had 19 catches and 1 touchdown his sophomore and junior years, 25 catches and no TD's his senior year.

BTW, different times...he was listed at 6'2" and 205 lbs...

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Re: WVU Football 2018 Recruiting Thread
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Would you consider the rest of your list as "integral"?


Well Mark Raugh certainly was. He, Berton, Purnell and Johnson all played professionally, so whether they caught the ball a lot or just made a lot of blocks, they were good enough to play on Sundays.

Is that integral? You decide for yourself.

Posted on: 6/5 12:44 pm
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