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Re: How do we win the B12?
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Here is a thought. There is a little known area that does not get much attention by major colleges called Canada. Notre Dame is one of the VERY few programs that does a pretty good job of recruiting Canada, and they seem to get some top talent from up there. Why not us too? That is a country of just under 37 million people and the law of averages says, with so few of colleges recruiting Canada, there should be plenty of talent (possibly blue chip level) ready to jump the border for big time NCAA football.
Those guys should also already be acclimated to playing outside in some pretty nasty weather as well.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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Anything is worth a shot. We are going after an Australian kicker.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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From my point of view.... Call me a pessimist, I prefer realist. We will never win the big 12 or a National championship. We do not have the depth nor will we ever consistently recruit top 15 talent to win the big 12. The last few years, I have realized that WV is not a top tier program nor will be. We don't have the state nor brand name to be. This is why I am happy with this year's team. I am happy with Dana, as long as we are competitive, finish above .500, recruit well, develop strong player character, and win bowl games. Maybe even reach the college football playoff once every 10 years or play in a major bowl. Now, we do need to change some things defensively to be more competitive against big 12 offenses. The 3-3-5 is not cutting it in the Big 12. Also, I remember the Casteel defenses being so athletic, I do not see that currently.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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I know many of us, at one time or another, have longed for the ACC instead of the B12, but I ask you this: If we can't beat VT this year, how are we going to regularly beat Clemson, FSU, ND, Miami, Louisville and somehow become the king of that hill? Yes, we could drive to many road games instead of fly, but driving home after a loss might be worse than flying.

I'm not saying we suck, I'm just saying we need to adjust our expectations year in and year out. We at least have B12 $ to stay relevant and compete with the big programs, so we have to outwork them to get the players and when we get them, do a superior job of developing them.

Our goal may be to win the B12, but if we are consistently in the top 4 in the B12, then we have become an excellent program with a lot of fun had by the team and the fans. We catch lightning once in awhile, but finish 3rd to 5th, regularly. I can live with that. That is a lot of good football.


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Re: How do we win the B12?

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in the acc, they have wake: unc, nc state, boston college, syracuse, virginia, pitt, and duke.

typically, the better teams are: clemson, fsu, va.tech, louisville, georgia tech, and miami.

in the 'better' 6 teams, all are more beatable every year than oklahoma.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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We are were we are make the best of it we could have been aac. Don’t bitch be proud and keep getting better. This was a rebuilding year from the start.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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We were completely outclassed in only one game this year, yesterday, by a national championship contender with an already-annointed Heisman winning quarterback, in their house. We still gave away 21 points. We were in every single other one to the end. Better execution and better luck go a long ways. Every b12 team was beaten by another b12 team this year. Our O-line allowed fewer TFLs than any other b12 team this year. We're returning pretty much everybody. Perspective.

I have watched WVU football since the 1970s and there has never been a better time to be a Mountaineer. Even my alum dad, who had classes with Sam Huff and watched Jerry West play for a national championship in 1959 when he was in grad school, thinks so too. We punch far above our weight.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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I am glad to see the positive posters!!!

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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I think all across college football there is so little margin for error for just about every program, save for Alabama, and maybe Clemson presently. The difference between 9+ wins and only 6 or 7 wins is razor thin for so many teams. Getting to 10 or more wins requires talent, depth and a good amount of luck. As of lately WVU has some front line talent, but has little depth and this year really bad luck. WVU had three 50/50 games and went 1-2 in them. Va Tech and TCU were both games that hinged on one or two plays and a number of questionable calls by officials that swung them against us, yet we very well could have/should have won both. KSU was the other game that was a toss-up and WVU was able to get it done. If you look at just those two losses, WVU was a 4th & goal failure as time expired and a bad reversal of a WVU INT and a really bad offensive PI away from possibly being 9-3. Factor in loosing our QB and if it wasn't for bad luck WVU would have no luck at all.

Obviously on the flip side there are the teams that are able to create their own good fortune, but that's mostly because they have stars all over the field and are able to overcome a bad break when one occurs.

Yes yesterday's outcome was bad, but I wasn't surprised and I didn't think I expected it to end any differently. I wish we could have hung in there better, but the defense decided they just weren't even up to being a challenge for OU. I thought OU played like a bunch of assholes and I think they kept their for too long but that's whatever. Despite yesterday I think there is a lot to be positive about going forward. We have a lot of talent coming back next year and are bringing in another strong class of new players. We will miss guys like Ka'raun and Kyzir White and Justin Crawford but I think the guys who are behind them are going to be just as good of players as those guys were, especially at RB. The schedule is strong but the conference slate flips back in our favor with 5 home games and there are two power 5 ooc opponents to get excited about.

On an unrelated note, I think a lot of our fans need to chill out and relax. The negativity and nastiness that spews out in posts on this site on gamedays when the chips are down, and something even when they're not is really unattractive and is something I felt like WVU fans were better than in the past. I miss the days when WVU fans were passionate for their team and were only perceived as being nasty to those outside the program and fanbase, not towards our own team and fellow fans.

I want to see my team win just as much as the next person, but it is literally out of my control and everyone else's that isn't down on the field, so why get so worked up over something that is totally out of our control? People are taking these games way too personally and those that are, are making this fanbase look like a bunch of whinny crybaby sore losers. Being nasty and negative and hyper-critical of your players and coaches is a quality I used to attribute to fans of teams like Pitt and Maryland, not WVU. I thought WVU fans were better in the past and am sad to see that some of us have stooped to that level.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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Oklahoma got beat by a lesser team already this year. It could have cost them the play off birth. It didn't, and they weren't going to let it happen again. They've played a lot better football after the loss.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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wvmtneer wrote:
I know many of us, at one time or another, have longed for the ACC instead of the B12, but I ask you this: If we can't beat VT this year, how are we going to regularly beat Clemson, FSU, ND, Miami, Louisville and somehow become the king of that hill? Yes, we could drive to many road games instead of fly, but driving home after a loss might be worse than flying.

I'm not saying we suck, I'm just saying we need to adjust our expectations year in and year out. We at least have B12 $ to stay relevant and compete with the big programs, so we have to outwork them to get the players and when we get them, do a superior job of developing them.

Our goal may be to win the B12, but if we are consistently in the top 4 in the B12, then we have become an excellent program with a lot of fun had by the team and the fans. We catch lightning once in awhile, but finish 3rd to 5th, regularly. I can live with that. That is a lot of good football.



Just my opinion, but I think we would be better off in the ACC Coastal division because it would lessen the travel we do (especially with programs other than football) and we would renew rivalries. To the latter point if we stay in the Big 12 long enough we'll develop rivalries again (and I'm fine with the Big 12 if this will be our home for decades to come) but one of the unfortunate consequences of conference realignment has been the loss of traditional rivalries. I know we are making Big 12 $$, but the annual Pitt game was worth more in many ways. I remember many down seasons where we had no chance of making a bowl but all that would have been forgotten if we beat Pitt. That's the argument I would make for getting into the ACC in the future but for now I'm fine with the Big 12.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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We were completely outclassed in only one game this year, yesterday, by a national championship contender with an already-annointed Heisman winning quarterback, in their house. We still gave away 21 points. We were in every single other one to the end. Better execution and better luck go a long ways. Every b12 team was beaten by another b12 team this year. Our O-line allowed fewer TFLs than any other b12 team this year. We're returning pretty much everybody. Perspective.

I have watched WVU football since the 1970s and there has never been a better time to be a Mountaineer. Even my alum dad, who had classes with Sam Huff and watched Jerry West play for a national championship in 1959 when he was in grad school, thinks so too. We punch far above our weight.

Agreed.

However I would point out that Oklahoma wasn't a National Championship contender last year and they ran all over us. Going back to the question posed in the thread, I think we have figured out a way to beat every team in the conference except Oklahoma and moving forward that will have to be the focus for Holgorsen and his staff - whether that means recruiting better for the defensive line or whatever.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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rocketrodeo wrote:
We were completely outclassed in only one game this year, yesterday, by a national championship contender with an already-annointed Heisman winning quarterback, in their house. We still gave away 21 points. We were in every single other one to the end. Better execution and better luck go a long ways. Every b12 team was beaten by another b12 team this year. Our O-line allowed fewer TFLs than any other b12 team this year. We're returning pretty much everybody. Perspective.

I have watched WVU football since the 1970s and there has never been a better time to be a Mountaineer. Even my alum dad, who had classes with Sam Huff and watched Jerry West play for a national championship in 1959 when he was in grad school, thinks so too. We punch far above our weight.

Agreed.

However I would point out that Oklahoma wasn't a National Championship contender last year and they ran all over us. Going back to the question posed in the thread, I think we have figured out a way to beat every team in the conference except Oklahoma and moving forward that will have to be the focus for Holgorsen and his staff - whether that means recruiting better for the defensive line or whatever.


I would like to disagree with you here. While I agree that Oklahoma was not IN the championship playoff, the only reason they weren't there is because the committee had to get Ohio State in someway.

The Oklahoma team that lost to Ohio State in week two last year was nothing like the Oklahoma that the Big 12 saw in the latter half of last season. In fact, I think last year's OU team and this year's OU team is pretty comparable.

More broadly, I think people on here should just relax and watch the games and enjoy the games without worrying about what our future is. There are ebbs and flows in every program. OU will go down. Texas will come up. They have been down....and we will do the same. Just enjoy the ride and be proud to be Mountaineers.

I love the Big 12! I love big time college football. I enjoyed watching MY team play Oklahoma much more than I enjoyed watching MY team play Delaware State.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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I'm old enough to remember the Sun Bowl squad of 1987. This team feels a lot like that team - one year away. If Grier and Sills come back, there may be some 1988 magic in next year's team.

The D-line is puppy young (a RS-sophomore, a true sophomore, and a true freshman). The O-line started two sophomores (three if you count Cajuste, as that is how much he has really played) and a RS-freshman most of the year. The two biggest playmakers on D were a sophomore (Long) and a true freshman (Robinson). A lot of other first year players saw lots of time on both sides of the ball. The incoming class looks very strong. The future is bright. Wear shades.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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The last 4-5 post were great. I agree 100 persent with the statement of being in ACC would better two things travel and renewing old rivals.

I am please with the progress of the football program.
We don’t lose Will we beat Texas and give OU a much better game.

Who would of thought we would be tied for second at that point.

B-ball is fine as long as the man is coaching.

Relax boys it is almost Christmas.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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I'm old enough to remember the Sun Bowl squad of 1987. This team feels a lot like that team - one year away. If Grier and Sills come back, there may be some 1988 magic in next year's team.

The D-line is puppy young (a RS-sophomore, a true sophomore, and a true freshman). The O-line started two sophomores (three if you count Cajuste, as that is how much he has really played) and a RS-freshman most of the year. The two biggest playmakers on D were a sophomore (Long) and a true freshman (Robinson). A lot of other first year players saw lots of time on both sides of the ball. The incoming class looks very strong. The future is bright. Wear shades.


Add in Stills, Pitts growing with a year in the system, McDougle growing with a year in the system, Askew-Henry might be back, the defense will be alright next year. The offense will be electric with Grier and Sills coming back, we're forgetting the Alabama receiver who's a transfer, will still have Jennings and Simms, McCoy and Petteway will be back, Tevin Bush will have a year under his belt. There's exciting times to be had, I agree, break out the shades.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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It ALL revolves around whether Grier comes back.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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I assume the TCU fans are calling for Patterson's head on a pike. 41-17. Fire that bum.

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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Our loss with our 2nd string quarterback to Oklahoma doesn't look so bad now.... We win the Big 12 next year by continuous improvement from this year with a healthy Grier and a more experienced secondary....

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Re: How do we win the B12?
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Need to recruit PA better, need to somehow out recruit PSU. They've gotten all 5 stars coming out, and take almost all the 4 star guys out of PA. Need to take some more 4 star guys away from them. Maybe bring back Tom Bradley.

Forget even trying to recruit Texas, Need to concentrate on PA 1st, FL 2nd, Ohio 3rd.

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