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NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-fed ... rs-schools-103338484.html


There's way too much at that link to summarize...but, as suspected, there's MAJOR money floating around in the former-dark behind these players and their families.

Also...to think this stops at BB is laughable.



Yahoo Sports viewed hundreds of pages of documents from the years-long probe that had federal authorities monitoring multiple targets and intercepting more than 4,000 calls across 330 days, providing a clear-eyed view into the pervasive nature of the game’s underground economy.

While three criminal cases tied to the investigation may take years to play out, the documents viewed by Yahoo revealed the extent of the potential NCAA ramifications from the case. The documents show an underground recruiting operation that could create NCAA rules issues – both current and retroactive – for at least 20 Division I basketball programs and more than 25 players.

The documents tie some of the biggest names and programs in the sport to activity that appears to violate the NCAA’s amateurism rules. This could end up casting a pall over the NCAA tournament because of eligibility issues. There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools. The documents link some of the sport’s biggest current stars – Michigan State’s Miles Bridges, Alabama’s Collin Sexton and Duke’s Wendell Carter – to specific potential extra benefits for either the athletes or their family members. The amounts tied to players in the case range from basic meals to tens of thousands of dollars.



Schools implicated in the documents:

Kansas
Iowa State
Texas
Kentucky
UNC
Duke
Michigan State
Virginia
LSU
Maryland
Washington
USC
South Carolina
Utah
Xavier
Wichita State
Clemson
Alabama
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Creighton
Seaton Hall


-Dennis Smith, who would go on to play at North Carolina State in 2016-17, received $43,500 according to the documents. Another document headed “Pina,” for ASM agent Stephen Pina, says Smith received a total of $73,500 in loans, and includes notes about “options to recoup the money” when Smith did not sign with ASM.

-Isaiah Whitehead, at the time a freshman at Seton Hall, received $26,136 according to the documents. The “Pina” document says Whitehead received $37,657 and was “setting up payment plan.” Whitehead signed with ASM but later left the agency for Roc Nation.

-Tim Quarterman, at the time a junior at LSU, received at least $16,000 according to the balance sheet.
Diamond Stone, at the time a freshman at Maryland, received $14,303 according to the documents.

-A listing that refers to “BAM” for $12,000 is later identified in the documents as Edrice “Bam” Adebayo, who would go on to play at Kentucky in 2016-17. He did not sign with ASM. There’s a later reference to Adebayo that says he received $36,500. “Bad loan,” reads the document.

-Markelle Fultz, who would go on to play at Washington and become the No. 1 pick in the 2017 draft, received $10,000 according to the documents. He did not sign with ASM.

-Current USC player Bennie Boatwright and/or his father, Bennie Sr. (According to documents, they received at least $2,000.)

-Current USC player Chimezie Metu and/or adviser, Johnnie Parker. (According to documents, they received $2,000.)
Current Texas player Eric Davis. (According to documents, he received $1,500.)

-Current South Carolina player Brian Bowen, who was ensnared in the initial federal investigation and started his career at Louisville last fall until the school withheld him from competition. His father, Brian Sr., also received money, according to the documents. (Dawkins’ expense reports also list more than $1,500 in plane tickets for Bowen, his father and his mother. He and his family received at least $7,000 in benefits, according to the documents.)

-Former Utah star Kyle Kuzma received at least $9,500 while in school, according to the documents.

-Former South Carolina player P.J. Dozier received at least $6,115 while in school, according to the documents.

-Former Xavier player Edmond Sumner and/or his father, Ernest. Documents show they received at least $7,000 in advances while Edmond was in school.

-Former Wichita State player Fred VanVleet. Documents show he received at least $1,000.

-Former Clemson player Jaron Blossomgame received a payment by Venmo while in school for $1,100 according to the documents.

-Apples Jones, the mother of former Kansas player Josh Jackson, received $2,700 according to documents.

-Among those receiving hundreds of dollars in advances, according to Dawkins’ expense reports, The mother of current Michigan State player Miles Bridges.



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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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Oh wow.....I knew it was bad, but this is beyond anything I would have thought.

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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Interesting.

It seems to implicate ASM and the players, but not really the schools.?

If ASM was doing it, you KNOW other agencies were too. ROC Nation comes to mind.

I hope they get to the dirty, seamy, sludge infested bottom of this and expose ALL of the slime.

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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I worry that the NCAA will give the schools some kind of B.S. reprieve since so man major schools were named. I mean, if North Carolina can get away with what they did, then its not out of the question that they pull some **** where they scold all involved, blame it on the agencies and players, remove some wins, like at Louisville, then go on with new rules and NO punishment for those cheating asses.

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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Arizona is done, put a fork in them. Time for NBA draft to reduce elig. back down to 18. Gets rid of one and done and much of this mess. I really hope they do not start paying college players, this will ruin the game. Have zero interest now as is in watching the NBA.

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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My question is when will this catch up on the football side of things? You occasionally hear Rumblings of it, and there is a specific infraction that is discovered, but you know there's a whole lot more to that Iceberg then what we see.

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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Does either Huggs or WVU have anything to worry about here?

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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Have you been to Kansas before? It's another flat shithole. $$$'s are the only reason to go there.

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Jackson...enough said. If it wasn't him then it was later and he got out before the sting.

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Are we really that surprised?? After all the Adidas schools were implicated, I was just waiting on the axe to come down on Kansas.

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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Proud2BanEer wrote:
Have you been to Kansas before? It's another flat shithole. $$$'s are the only reason to go there.


I biked thru Kansas 40 years ago. Flat is nice when you're bicycling. Also, the people were very very nice. Most towns let you camp by the town pool, and many people let you camp in their back yard.

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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One reason the pundits say it is not as prevalent in football is because these are shoe deals. The basketball players expose the shoes and their faces... In football players faces are not so visible and not too many teenagers are motivated to go out and pay $100+ for cool football cleats. This is not to say payments are not being made to football players it just may not be with shoe companies.






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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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eers4evr wrote:
One reason the pundits say it is not as prevalent in football is because these are shoe deals. The basketball players expose the shoes and their faces... In football players faces are not so visible and not too many teenagers are motivated to go out and pay $100+ for cool football cleats. This is not to say payments are not being made to football players it just may not be with shoe companies.







I think the payment of football players is coming from private individuals, like boosters, and is more prevalent at schools in the south eastern part of the country. Not saying it makes it better but I do think the impact is different for some reason, although Alabama does keep winning it all...

I find it really hard to believe no coaches or staff at KU knew about this. Even if they were all somehow oblivious to it, the NCAA and the Big 12 need to come down on them hard.

We've all wondered why the Big 12 has allowed them to win all the time and why the refs seem so corrupt when calling games against KU. Maybe it isn't the conference behind it, maybe it is Adidas behind the favorable calls in KU's way?


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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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eers4evr wrote:
One reason the pundits say it is not as prevalent in football is because these are shoe deals. The basketball players expose the shoes and their faces... In football players faces are not so visible and not too many teenagers are motivated to go out and pay $100+ for cool football cleats. This is not to say payments are not being made to football players it just may not be with shoe companies.

I don't think it has anything to do with shoes and faces - it has more to do with bagmen. See here.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footb ... ootball-bag-man-interview

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thisisridic wrote:
Maybe it isn't the conference behind it, maybe it is Adidas behind the favorable calls in KU's way?



I have wondered for a very long time if refs were on the take. I would LOVE to see a news headline one day that says that there has been fraud uncovered in the way refs call games.

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I just cut my Dish bill in half, I was paying about $130/month. Now, I don't even get ESPN or Fox Sports. I don't miss those channels at all.

Reading these articles about crooked dealings behind the scenes makes me all the more sure that I don't even want to watch the games anymore. Without a level playing field in recruiting, what's the use? Programs that choose to play by the rules will only ever get that occasional diamond in the rough, but never be able to build a complete team that can honestly compete. I always wondered why we never get a four or five star QB behind an offensive line with all 300 pound plus linemen like they do at Alabama or Michigan. We sometimes get that one really top level recruit, but he has no supporting cast around him.

I always suspected, but now I know.

I just don't even want to watch anymore.

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After reading KU's statement which openly stated that the University of Kansas was a victim in this, I looked into what was said to have occurred. There is no evidence that any coach from Kansas was involved. The player in question (Sousa?, I believe) had accepted money to go elsewhere but wanted to change his mind and go to Kansas. The moneys from the mentioned Addidas Reps/Agents was to pay back the bribes for going to the original school. They haven't released anything implicating anybody from Kansas other than the player.

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Re: NCAA MBB FBI Investigations (HOLY CRAP)
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wvafaninSC wrote:
I just cut my Dish bill in half, I was paying about $130/month. Now, I don't even get ESPN or Fox Sports. I don't miss those channels at all.

Reading these articles about crooked dealings behind the scenes makes me all the more sure that I don't even want to watch the games anymore. Without a level playing field in recruiting, what's the use? Programs that choose to play by the rules will only ever get that occasional diamond in the rough, but never be able to build a complete team that can honestly compete. I always wondered why we never get a four or five star QB behind an offensive line with all 300 pound plus linemen like they do at Alabama or Michigan. We sometimes get that one really top level recruit, but he has no supporting cast around him.

I always suspected, but now I know.

I just don't even want to watch anymore.


I watch because sometimes the stars align and your team has that magical season. We saw WVU have it in 2010 in basketball. To put it in perspective, Kansas with its 5-star loaded roster got eliminated worse by the same team WVU did and made it as far as Loyola Chicago, which has no 5-star players on its roster. When you consider how bad they cheat and it has been a full decade since they won it all it says that paying players only gets them so far. As much as I can't stand the "blue bloods" and hate that they're allowed to lie ad cheat they're way to the top, you also have to consider the Butlers, VCUs and Loyolas of the basketball world that made magical runs and know that any year any team can get hot at the right time. I also think Villanova probably runs a clean program and they're killing it right now.

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thanks, well said ~ I agree!

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