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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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zwaaa wrote:
So, you call them snowflakes, yet admit that you are just like them. Ok then.


I was actually referring to YOUR post from the Obamacare thread where YOU responded to my post and others who have been getting screwed by the ACA for the last 4 years.

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It's funny how my organizational healthcare and prescription costs continue to decline, PARTICULARLY in relation to inflation and my salary, yet so many come up with these sob stories.

Sounds to me like snowflakes that made bad decisions.


You called us snowflakes for complaining about the same issues people on PEIA now face. You also seem to think that we just made "bad decisions". I asked you then to enlighten as to what decisions we could make to alleviate these problems we face from insurance that we never wanted to start with.

I mean, you've made it clear that people who aren't gifted with your ability to have awesome healthcare are in that position because of their own doing. Why aren't you including WV teachers in the mix?

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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You called us snowflakes for complaining about the same issues people on PEIA now face. You also seem to think that we just made "bad decisions". I asked you then to enlighten as to what decisions we could make to alleviate these problems we face from insurance that we never wanted to start with.

I mean, you've made it clear that people who aren't gifted with your ability to have awesome healthcare are in that position because of their own doing. Why aren't you including WV teachers in the mix?


Look, whenever a liberal (or a non uber conservative) complains about anything the alt right drones shout out "SNOWFLAKE". But it occurs to me you folks do your fair share of bitching and moaning yourselves. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck...it must be a hypocritical alt right duck.

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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I'm not saying teachers shouldn't make more money but, their premiums are inline with everyone else's.

That is anecdotal, don't you think? You cannot take two examples and say that they are in-line with the rest of the nation.
How about premiums of 14% of ones income, like mine. And trust me I don't have a Cadillac plan, mine doesn't even cover eye or dental.


No, I believe the perspective is relevant and important. Again, I believe teachers are underpaid but I have little sympathy for them when it comes to insurance. Especially when their plan costs 1/3 of mine and has better coverage.

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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I can't believe this is still going on. Fast forward to when this thing comes to closure and here is what you have:
This could've came to an end on day 4 of the strike when the Governor and House both agreed to the 5% pay raise. The senate republicans keep shutting it down and teachers continue to strike. The senate will finally agree to the terms at the costs of adding several days to the school year.
We need good sense and sound judgement in practical matters when it comes to children's education. Not political nonsense.
If anything, this has brought a lot of awareness on WV politics. I have a feeling that WV will have record turnout voting for the next term.

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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I know a lot of teachers, and they would have not been willing to agree to a 5% pay raise with no fix to PEIA. The Union itself was fine with a pay raise, but that’s not why the teachers went on strike.

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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Schools are back in session tomorrow, so they must have come to an agreement.

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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Word on Facebook is that there will be a 5% raise for all public employees, and there will still be a task force to tackle the issues of PEIA. Looks like your thoughts were right on the money MountainTrout.

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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sTRIKE OVER. THE UNION WINS!!!! GO, TEAM!!!

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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DonKeebals may have his numbers wrong. They may be the INCREASE over the last few years of PEIA costs rather than the new total. What IS clear is that the original pay increase didn't make up for the increased costs. I wonder if that changes his views towards the strike:

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Well, the monthly premium for an individual on PEIA is increasing to right around $147 which comes to $1764.00 a year. That's just a tad under 4.00% of their annual income. My monthly premium is $1203 dollars or $14,436. That number is 6.56% of my annual income.

I'm not saying teachers shouldn't make more money but, their premiums are inline with everyone else's.


here's a quote about total premiums:

A teacher making $46,000 each year is paying $950 right now for their family deductible and $341 per month for their family premium in Plan A. Say the teacher’s spouse also earns a $46,000 annual salary. Their total family income would now bump their monthly premium up to $517 and their family deductible to $1,350.

$333 per month is $4000 per year.
http://www.wvea.org/content/peia-boar ... -burdensome-fy18-proposal

Here is some info about INCREASES:


There's at least a $1000 premium increase in the last 3 years, not including higher deductibles and higher out-of-pocket costs. The original 1% increase would be about $447 per year for the average teacher.

In the last three years, for someone making the salary of an average West Virginia school service employee ($27,500 a year), the annual PEIA family plan deductible has more than doubled and premiums have increased by $336 a year. For the average teacher, premiums have risen $348 a year, deductibles by $400, and the out-of-pocket maximum by $2,000. That’s on top higher co-pays for prescription drugs, general and specialist doctor visits, and cuts to other benefits. In other words, teachers, service personnel, and other state employees are paying hundreds of dollars more each year in health care costs than they were a few years ago.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/02/wes ... rs-strike-energy-industry

Another view of PEIA increases:

she explained that because of structural changes to the health-insurance system, her family’s monthly premiums would more than double starting July 1.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/ ... a-teachers-strike/554546/





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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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A teacher making $46,000 each year is paying $950 right now for their family deductible and $341 per month for their family premium in Plan A. Say the teacher’s spouse also earns a $46,000 annual salary. Their total family income would now bump their monthly premium up to $517 and their family deductible to $1,350.




Wow. Everyone in WV should be HUGELY pissed at PEIA. I am so glad I moved to Va.

1200 a year and no deductible

Posted on: 3/6 8:09 pm
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Re: WV Teacher Strike
Gettin' Schmitty
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This entire issue deserves a deeper dive. West Virginia does NOT have a huge tax base.

And how have all of the UNFUNDED federal education mandates affected the state's ability to fund its education system?

You probably need to back 30-35 years to see the cumulative effect of ALL of the unfunded federal mandates.


PS - and more troubling is it looks like they are borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Sooner or later Peter runs out of money.

Posted on: 3/7 10:33 am
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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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This entire issue deserves a deeper dive. West Virginia does NOT have a huge tax base.

And how have all of the UNFUNDED federal education mandates affected the state's ability to fund its education system?

You probably need to back 30-35 years to see the cumulative effect of ALL of the unfunded federal mandates.


PS - and more troubling is it looks like they are borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Sooner or later Peter runs out of money.


Yeah from what I hear, two percent of the state employee raise will be coming out of Medicare funding. Hardly a win for the state residents as a whole.

Posted on: 3/7 10:58 am
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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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The strikes primary purpose is/was to fix PEIA with the secondary pay raise. The problem is they can’t fix PEIA overnight. However, the pay raise is something they can move on immediately. Therefore, giving them the 5% pay raise was a “gentleman’s handshake” that the teachers would go back to work and the state would fix PEIA.
The changes the state wanted to make to PEIA was implementing a fit bit for those who participated, base costs on total “household” income, and raise the price. This is what up roared the teachers. Put that on top of a raise they haven’t seen in years.
Stay tuned. The PEIA task force has 18 months to fix/fund PEIA. If nothing changes we will be seeing deja-vu all over again.

Posted on: 3/7 12:15 pm
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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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I really like Ojeda. He is a Democrat, but I wouldn’t call him a progressive.

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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I really like Ojeda. He is a Democrat, but I wouldn’t call him a progressive.


I believe the country as a whole could use more of that. Things have gotten so extreme. I’d be happy to see some reasonable centrism, to be honest.

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Re: WV Teacher Strike
Gettin' Schmitty
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Centrist? How so?

He supports Path to citizenship, medical marijuana, not cutting money from the VA...he mentions fiscal responsibility but is pretty vague on the specifics other than “holding people accountable”, pro-education, renewable energy, living wages...

Seems pretty liberal to me. Calls himself a progressive so I tend to believe him. I like the guy.

What conservative stances does he espouse that makes him centrist?

http://voteojeda.com

Posted on: 3/7 7:53 pm
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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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eer_4da_beer wrote:
Centrist? How so?

He supports Path to citizenship, medical marijuana, not cutting money from the VA...he mentions fiscal responsibility but is pretty vague on the specifics other than “holding people accountable”, pro-education, renewable energy, living wages...

Seems pretty liberal to me. Calls himself a progressive so I tend to believe him. I like the guy.

What conservative stances does he espouse that makes him centrist?

http://voteojeda.com


I don’t know anything about him - made an assumption based on the fact that Eery likes him. Hey - things are changing all over. I saw a friend last weekend who’s super strict Preacher Father is now investing in Medical Marijuana stock.

Posted on: 3/7 8:18 pm
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Re: WV Teacher Strike
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eer_4da_beer wrote:
Centrist? How so?

He supports Path to citizenship, medical marijuana, not cutting money from the VA...he mentions fiscal responsibility but is pretty vague on the specifics other than “holding people accountable”, pro-education, renewable energy, living wages...

Seems pretty liberal to me. Calls himself a progressive so I tend to believe him. I like the guy.

What conservative stances does he espouse that makes him centrist?

http://voteojeda.com


His platform looks pretty Libertarian to me. His stance on immigration is a little more on the liberal side. Which is understandable since his grandfather was an immigrant. I’m as much libertarian as I am conservative, so Ojeda and I are pretty close on a lot of issues.

Posted on: 3/7 11:11 pm
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