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Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Bob Hertzel says this is the year to 💩 Or get off the pot for Holgy.
https://www.wvnews.com/sports/wvu/make ... 63-a031-a8028af1a64b.html
What say you?

I'm not entirely sure the TCU comparison is fair, given their resources and location, but I do agree that this year is in make or break territory.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Ummmm....no. Not in the second year of the 5-year deal. If they tank, possibly, but no one envisions that (barring injury meltdowns). Another year like last year puts him on the hot seat for next year. 8-4 or better and there won't be any talk of him being gone.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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I wouldn't have said so before the bowl game, after that fiasco I think so.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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No. Not at all.

We will do well this year and put up big numbers. We will be a TV darling.

NEXT year will be the make or break year. We better have a QB next year ... or ...

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Isn't every year the "make or break year" for Holgy?

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Actually Make or break year for Hertzel.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Here we go again.... I hope we do great this year...but if we don't I can already hear the "Next year, you just wait. Next year will be a special year."


EDIT: Let's just hope for all our collective sanity's sake, we kick ass and take names this year.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Nope, not going to happen with me, bc I already know, this year will not be anything special, and either will next year.

Special to me is at least 11-1 and making playoffs.

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We are an 8-4 9-3 program with an occasional high 10 win or low 6 win season. Not a powerhouse. Holgy is on the high end of meeting realistic expectations.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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jameschi wrote:
Actually Make or break year for Hertzel.



Does it make me a bad person to want it to end up being a break year in his case? I don't typically enjoy the idea of people failing, but it's like my dad never said, having hash browns instead of eggs for breakfast after raising chickens for 30 years doesn't exactly leave a bad taste in my mouth.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Hertzel is still angry that Stewart (RIP) was shown the door after all these years...he needs to get over it already.

That aside, I think Holgorsen will be around (barring him accepting a job elsewhere) for another 3 seasons given his contract.
For me, over the next 3 years Holgorsen needs to figure out a way to beat Oklahoma and to get us into the conference championship game. Going back to Hertzel's comparison of the program's last 4 coaches, Holgorsen has had the toughest schedule in regards to having to play top 20 teams. However, while Nehlen had an easier road in that regard he still eventually found a way to beat teams like Penn State and Miami. If Holgorsen can't post a win against Oklahoma in the next 2-3 seasons and has us yet again out of the Big 12 championship then I think it's fair to conclude that he's done all he is capable of and that we need to find a new HC who will get us over that hurdle.
I don't expect us to be a perennial powerhouse in the Big 12 but, looking down the road a bit, it would not be acceptable to be in this conference for 8-9 years and to not have had a shot at a conference championship during that time.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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I think he's here through the 2023 transitional period, even if he only wins 7 games a season. I think Lyons know making a regime change during this time period is unwise.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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damn good assessment JA

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Will this thread be merged with "FIRE HOLGY" by seasons end ?

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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How different this conversation would have been if we had a couple bounces our way against VT or Texas, or Grier didn't break his finger and we pulled out a win against Texas and our bowl game... Holgy would be building on back to back great years going into a chance at something special.

We still have a chance at something special, we have a very potent offense, and hopefully our defense will come along together well, just depends if those breaks go our way this time around this year, we're gonna be in those situations. Regardless, I think Holgy is fine for a couple more years, I agree that I don't think they'll switch coaches until the rights are up in 2022/2023 or whatever, and then we have a deep reflection and assess the situation.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Quote:

apizzle wrote:
How different this conversation would have been if we had a couple bounces our way against VT or Texas, or Grier didn't break his finger and we pulled out a win against Texas and our bowl game... Holgy would be building on back to back great years going into a chance at something special.

We still have a chance at something special, we have a very potent offense, and hopefully our defense will come along together well, just depends if those breaks go our way this time around this year, we're gonna be in those situations. Regardless, I think Holgy is fine for a couple more years, I agree that I don't think they'll switch coaches until the rights are up in 2022/2023 or whatever, and then we have a deep reflection and assess the situation.


Here is where I hope I sit on the fence as neither a Holgorsen lover or hater.

The problem I have with this program right now is that we have no back up at our most skilled position! YIKES!

We had a pretty good QB in Grier. He goes down and we have Chugs. Now I am not denigrating Chugs but he was WOEFULLY unprepared for taking the reins. But it gets worse from there!!!!! During the bowl game (or before, I can't remember) Holgy was asked about Chugs backup and he said....we have none. We go wildcat. So we don't even have a third body to put out on the field in arguably one of the most specialized and important positions on the field.

So what happens in the off-season? Chugs leaves....we all go....Yay. We have Grier and no real backup. Oh. This Israel is going to be the best thing since Betty White. Really? How many college snaps has he taken? Chugs was a good HS QB too.

....But wait....now Israel leaves. I am sure this Allison cat is the cat's meow, right? If you think this is the basis of a stable program you are nuts.

Here is what its like to have a real program.

http://www.thestate.com/sports/colleg ... ity/article209205519.html

This by the way from a team that we set a bowl record against. They actually have TWO QBs that will push each other to get better. Grier can sit on the sidelines and comb his hair as we can't even find a warm body to push him.

This is insane. It isn't like we just hired Holgy. Dudes about eligible for a state pension!

I remember when we complained that Holgy couldn't develop a top-tier QB now I would just be happy to have a guy with two-feet that could stand back there if the other two get hurt but that is too much to ask too.

Now if you are saying that the third string QB can't get time in practice or that he can't learn "the system", then maybe the system is too complicated. I would be for simplifying it since it hasn't really given us an undefeated season or even a season that could beat Oklahoma.

Not asking for him to be fired but I am not drinking any Holgy Kool-aid either.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Quote:

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apizzle wrote:
How different this conversation would have been if we had a couple bounces our way against VT or Texas, or Grier didn't break his finger and we pulled out a win against Texas and our bowl game... Holgy would be building on back to back great years going into a chance at something special.

We still have a chance at something special, we have a very potent offense, and hopefully our defense will come along together well, just depends if those breaks go our way this time around this year, we're gonna be in those situations. Regardless, I think Holgy is fine for a couple more years, I agree that I don't think they'll switch coaches until the rights are up in 2022/2023 or whatever, and then we have a deep reflection and assess the situation.


Here is where I hope I sit on the fence as neither a Holgorsen lover or hater.

The problem I have with this program right now is that we have no back up at our most skilled position! YIKES!

We had a pretty good QB in Grier. He goes down and we have Chugs. Now I am not denigrating Chugs but he was WOEFULLY unprepared for taking the reins. But it gets worse from there!!!!! During the bowl game (or before, I can't remember) Holgy was asked about Chugs backup and he said....we have none. We go wildcat. So we don't even have a third body to put out on the field in arguably one of the most specialized and important positions on the field.

So what happens in the off-season? Chugs leaves....we all go....Yay. We have Grier and no real backup. Oh. This Israel is going to be the best thing since Betty White. Really? How many college snaps has he taken? Chugs was a good HS QB too.

....But wait....now Israel leaves. I am sure this Allison cat is the cat's meow, right? If you think this is the basis of a stable program you are nuts.

Here is what its like to have a real program.

http://www.thestate.com/sports/colleg ... ity/article209205519.html

This by the way from a team that we set a bowl record against. They actually have TWO QBs that will push each other to get better. Grier can sit on the sidelines and comb his hair as we can't even find a warm body to push him.

This is insane. It isn't like we just hired Holgy. Dudes about eligible for a state pension!

I remember when we complained that Holgy couldn't develop a top-tier QB now I would just be happy to have a guy with two-feet that could stand back there if the other two get hurt but that is too much to ask too.

Now if you are saying that the third string QB can't get time in practice or that he can't learn "the system", then maybe the system is too complicated. I would be for simplifying it since it hasn't really given us an undefeated season or even a season that could beat Oklahoma.

Not asking for him to be fired but I am not drinking any Holgy Kool-aid either.


IIRC, Cincinnati made it to a BCS game with their 4th string QB 8 or 10 years ago....

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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OK if he gets fired, who are you going to get that would be better?

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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emperorchaz wrote:
OK if he gets fired, who are you going to get that would be better?


I would probably look for someone that didn't build his whole team around one player and would actually have 3 QBs ready to play.

Maybe someone that when they played an FCS team would try and see what his backup QB could do. Not put him in with 45 seconds left to hand off and kneel down.

Just one of many of my requirements.

I assure you there is someone out there better than Holgy. Probably a number out there that isn't as good but if you think that Holgy is:

A. The pinnacle of coaching talent, or
B. We can't hire anyone else better

that is the kind of thinking that will never build a winner.

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Re: Make or Break Year for Holgy?
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Quote:

brobison wrote:
Quote:

emperorchaz wrote:
OK if he gets fired, who are you going to get that would be better?


I would probably look for someone that didn't build his whole team around one player and would actually have 3 QBs ready to play.

Maybe someone that when they played an FCS team would try and see what his backup QB could do. Not put him in with 45 seconds left to hand off and kneel down.

Just one of many of my requirements.

I assure you there is someone out there better than Holgy. Probably a number out there that isn't as good but if you think that Holgy is:

A. The pinnacle of coaching talent, or
B. We can't hire anyone else better

that is the kind of thinking that will never build a winner.


I really don't think Holgorsen has built his entire team around 1 player. I just don't understand this logic some of our fans seem to apply when criticizing the coaching staff and the lack of QB talent. It is as if people think WVU is some Mecca for QB talent and that 2-3 blue chip prospects are lining up to come play here every recruiting cycle, thus affording this team the luxury of having 3 highly capable back-ups waiting for the guy ahead of them to go down.

As it stands right now we have a potential Heisman candidate QB as the clear cut starter, a former 4-star QB backing him up and another 4-star incoming Freshman. For the first time since Jarret Brown and Geno Smith were on the roster together has WVU had this much QB depth.

I also find it interesting that you used Clemson as your example of QB stability. They have a QB that has already left the program and are likely going to be a 2-QB system heading into the season, and we all know how well 2 QB rotations work. Also, rumors are already out there that if Kelly Bryant does not win the job he may also transfer out, leaving them with 1 QB.

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